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New Gmail rules enforced starting in February should reduce spam, make it easier to unsubscribe from bulk senders, and close email security loopholes exploited by cybercriminals.

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[–] TheDannysaur 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah... unless you pay Google. Then they hand deliver "promoted" emails which somehow always fill the top few slots in my email. Funny how that works.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have never in my life seen that. The emails appear in order of arrival. I am confused about what you talk about.

[–] TheDannysaur 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ok I see... not saying is great but those are ads. Not prioritized emails. Like it's an ad that looks like an email.... yes I agree it's terrible.... but the emails are in the expected order.

I guess I have never seen it because well as you seem to indicate it is recent. And I mostly use the PC for emails and there I have AdBlock so yeah there neither.

I have check the phone and I saw some ads but they don't look like emails ata all they are like bigger it's easy to see the difference but they weren't in-between so maybe are the old design.

In any case it's mostly a free service, except if go over the limit and similar, with quite some costs and with the current environment where ads revenue is going down and money isn't as cheap as it used to be, Google and other companies are all trying to squeeze whatever they can, so everything is going shit....

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you considered moving your email away from Google? It's easier than you'd expect

[–] Jivebunny 1 points 1 year ago

Please elobrate.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Alternative headline: Google is making it even harder for non-Google operators of mail servers to interoperate with gmail.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ehh I dunno, this doesn't really change much for regular mail operators. Anyone can choose to reject any message as spam based on whatever rules they choose, and this seems pretty reasonable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I certainly don't enjoy having to update my mail server configuration every couple of years. But once done it does make a huge difference to what gets through. I do worry there might be tweaks to make for my patch sending workflow.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This seems like non-news. If a provider sends a notable amount of spam they will be blocked.

I do hope that they are careful to avoid blocking personal mail servers that send 10 messages getting blocked if 1 is marked as spam.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is literally about changes to senders who make 5k+ messages per day, so yeah, no need to worry.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Meh...I don't trust them to do anything which is why I strictly use Gmail for spam, just like I did with Hotmail before that, and my ISPs email before that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Is this a puff piece for Google because they are going through a secret anti-trust trial?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It's pure self-interest. They want better information about the person. Spam muddies the waters, so cleaning the up to have the best picture of whoever it is they're surveilling is only reasonable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago
[–] theragu40 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, meanwhile they are getting increasingly more invasive with their own ads right in my inbox. They even put "unread" ad emails down in the middle of my inbox which is like torture for my clean inbox OCD brain.

[–] Chobbes 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

... Wait, seriously? That sounds insane.

[–] theragu40 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's really irritating. They have had ads in the inbox for a long time, and at some point they started looking exactly like emails, but they were a slightly different shade and were grouped at the top.

Recently they started just strewing them about the top 50 mails that show in your inbox. And you can click them to clear them but they just come back.

It's terrible.

[–] Chobbes 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's honestly so bad. I wonder why I haven't noticed this? Presumably it doesn't happen on paid / institution accounts? I do have a garbage gmail for junk mail, but maybe that's all spam anyway so I haven't noticed... Or maybe on the web interface ad blockers get rid of that trash. I'd be horrified if they started actually making them e-mails and sending them over IMAP, though.

[–] theragu40 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God, yeah I don't think they come through on imap. I don't see them on mobile either, only on the web interface.

[–] Chobbes 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Honestly, this reminds me that using an ad-blocker is kind of problematic in the sense that you will accidentally direct people to websites that have a bunch of ads without realizing what other people are going through. I mean, obviously I wouldn't give up the ad blocker, it's just unfortunate when you realize something is way worse for most people and you didn't even notice.

[–] Moneo 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like Google is taking their first real steps into enshitification. I didn't mind them having a near monopoly over the services I used when those services were far and above better than the alternatives.

Recently I switched to Firefox because of the impending ad/privacy nightmare, even though my UX has been worse with Firefox. I switched to DuckDuckGo because Google searches are shittier and more ad filled than ever. It seems like I'll stop using my Gmail soon too.

[–] theragu40 1 points 1 year ago

It's been a long slow spiral for years now IMO. We're just finally starting to feel the effects in tangible ways.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

uh huh. lol.