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Hi all!

We're very excited to move to Denmark soon as lifelong Americans. I have a good job lined up, and we're set on a place to live for a while.

Any advice from people who have done it, looked it up, had friends who have done it, etc? Just in general :)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Do everything you can to learn the language quickly. Take any language class offer you get. It will make life much easier in a new country, especially if you're looking to make friends. Immerse yourself in the culture immediately.

Remember that Europeans, especially Scandinavians, are not as openly friendly as Americans. They can seem cold and distant at first. It's not because they are not friendly, it's just a cultural feature. Once you get to know them, most open up and they are awesome.

On financials, keep all your bank accounts and credit cards open in the US and use a US address for them (and get a credit card with no foreign transaction fees). Don't advertise to the US banks that you moved overseas. Just use a family member's or friend's address. Also note that European banks don't have rewards credit cards, so I only use US rewards cards with no foreign transaction fees when living overseas. They'll send you replacement cards overseas if you ask them to, even when your account address is in the US.

If you don't already have retirement IRA accounts set up (not just 401k), do it before you leave the US. Also, open a brokerage account (e.g. Schwab or Fidelity) with a US address before you leave and don't change the address to your overseas address, ever. Leave as is. It can be very hard for Americans to invest because foreign banks are required to report different things to US authorities about customers who are American citizens. They don't want the bother, so they may not allow you to open an account there. And once you move it will be much harder to open the account in the US. Use a service like Wise to move funds cheaply to your US accounts for investments and paying off credit cards.

Get a cheap eSIM phone subscription with a US phone number for two-step verification abroad. You can use Wifi-calling to connect.

Finally, remember that you are eligible to vote in the US as a US citizen living overseas. You'll still be registered as a voter in the state and county you moved overseas from. You'll use your most recent address, and you don't have to have any attachment to that address any longer. It's only for voting purposes. If you're not already registered to vote when you move overseas, you'll also use your most recent address to register to vote. More information here: https://www.fvap.gov/citizen-voter.

Good luck!

[–] InverseParallax 25 points 4 days ago

In the middle now.

Wife is already Swedish so I'm doing it on easy mode, plus job is remote.

Politeness, wow, that's tough to get used to. Trying to fix my silicon valley manners and I'm still coming off as the biggest asshole.

Government is more involved in your life, but it's not too bad, just something you get used to, ups and downs, they mostly try to help.

Amazon is shit, thats a thing for me, but you manage.

They have a food culture.

No, you may have misunderstood me, I did not say they have food in their culture, I mean a significant part of their societal culture revolves around food.

Did not understand this, used to Door dashing and eating to get by, they don't do that, food matters to them, spending half a day cooking is just a thing you do, it's not work to them anymore than watching YouTube is.

Otherwise you'll get by, just try to tone down your socialization reflexes, they're more reserved and our outgoing nature can scare them shitless if they're not ready for it.

[–] Humana 90 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Think of other topics and questions than work, Americans care too much about work outside of work.

Switch your phone apps to celsius and start your brain switching ASAP.

Knowing what country or region you're going to would help

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh switching to metric is a great idea.

Denmark :)

[–] [email protected] 48 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

American here, got stationed in Italy for a few years. Learning Celsius was easy with this in mind:

0 freezing
10 cool
20 nice
30 hot
40 sweltering

If you need to do the actual calculation, double the celsius value, subtract the tens digit (i.e. -10%), add 32. For example:

Double it: 20 * 2 = 40
Subtract the tens digit: 40 - 4 = 36
Add 32: 36+32 = 68

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The danish people will maybe say a lot of things about us swedes, but don't believe the lies.

[–] Ecunis 60 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Do not believe this liar. Danes speak the truth.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

Too bad nobody can understand what they are saying

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[–] Gammelfisch 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Do your best to immerse yourself . When you view the USA from the outside or return to visit, you will ask yourself, "WTF is going on here?"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

I'm in it asking this.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

First of all, a practical item that people sometimes forget: traffic laws are different in every country. Even if your driver's license is valid in other countries, take a moment to read up on traffic rules.

If you live in a city, give public transport a serious consideration. It's not for everybody and not every place has good connections, but you'd be surprised how little you need a car if you live in an area well-served by public transport.

As with any foreign country, you'll do well to learn the language. Written Danish probably isn't too difficult to learn when you already know English (they share a heritage after all) but spoken Danish is quite peculiar. You'll probably get by with just English just fine, but most people will prefer to speak their native language.

What I've heard from family moving to Denmark: check and double check your tax information and registration. The bureaucratic process can take a while, even when moving within the Schengen zone. Also: America has some weird laws where you need to pay taxes regardless of if you live there or not, as long as you're a citizen. Make sure you know how much taxes you need to pay to what government! You generally don't need to pay tax in both countries unless you make a boatload of money but it can't hurt to check.

Speaking of, you'll pay a lot of taxes. You get a lot in return, but make sure you know what your net income is going to be like and what taxes are hiding around the corner. The amazing Danish welfare state needs to be funded somehow!

If you live near any borders (European definition of "near"), check any visas you may have for what you're allowed to do. Some visas allow you to move freely within a single country but not leave it for x amount of days consecutively/in a year, for instance. Denmark is actually one of the few countries with border checks (Germany too these days).

What I've heard from other Americans visiting Europe: it's smaller than you think and everything seems closer than you think. That's very nice when it comes to stuff like grocery stores, but some people feel a little claustrophobic because of the lack of free, open space.

Make sure your credit card is set to allow for international payments, unless you already have your money in a Danish bank account. You don't want to arrive and find out you can't pay for anything.

Get yourself a local SIM card. It's probably a lot cheaper than carrying your American number in general, but roaming charges between the US and the EU are Not Fun.

Most Danes speak English well, in my experience. However, don't let that fool you into thinking they share the same cultural norms. Things common in some American subcultures (calling everyone "dear", saying stuff like "we should hang out some time" without actually meaning it) can cause some humorous/awkward interactions when misinterpreted. Knowing the words isn't the same as knowing what you actually mean!

Prepare to do a lot of currency conversions in your head. You can get tricked into spending more money than you thought if you don't know what amount of DDK translates to USD. 1 USD is about 6.8 DDK, so yeah, good luck with that, multiply by seven and subtract a bit I guess?

Stores in Denmark will often show prices including tax, so don't do too much mental math. You generally don't need to apply the 25% VAT on listed prices unless you're buying business to business.

Based on experience from expats: immerse yourself into the local culture and language. Making connections with strangers is hard, likely harder than in the US, but you'll end up quite lonely if you only hang out with coworkers and other expats.

Also read up on punctuality expectations. Some cultures expect you to be five minutes to half an hour "late" to an agreed upon time, others expect you to be there much earlier, and then other cultures expect you to arrive right on time. That applies both professionally and socially!

On a similar note, make sure you read about the expectations your coworkers may have of you, culturally. If you work for an American company you may end up with an American style corporate hierarchy, but Danish companies are a lot more egalitarian on average. Not just office wise, but also "only addressing the boss by their first name" wise.

Working overtime may not be appreciated as much, and may even be seen as a bad thing in some contexts (i.e. constantly working after 5PM to finish your work, implying you can't finish in time when you're really trying to show your work ethic or something like that). Work/life balance is important and every country has different standards.

From what I can tell, the Danes are quite strict in not wanting to spend too much of their life working, so don't be that person that brings work into every conversation. As a foreigner, you probably have much more interesting topics to talk about!

I've only head good things about Denmark from people who worked/moved there, so I hope you enjoy your time there!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

expats

The word is "immigrants" but Brits and Yanks are scared to call themselves that lol

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[–] Ecunis 56 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Getting new friends in Denmark can be difficuelt at first. Many are reserved and needs to thaw up first. Do not expect colleagues to invite you home, if you are ysed to that. However, when people open up it is because they like and respect you. Danes are in general not superficial as Americans often can be. So remember, we are not unfriendly, just different from Americans :) Advise from a 100% Dane.

[–] evasive_chimpanzee 15 points 4 days ago

Lol, and Danes are definitely the most outgoing of the Nordics. I've found Danes to be pretty similar in terms of outgoing-ness to people from New England in the US; unlikely to start conversation with complete strangers, but certainly kind once you have that initial connection.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago (9 children)
  • learn the language AND CUSTOMS
  • don't hang out in foreigner/english bubbles
  • don't assume anything works the way it does in the US (from gasoline and driving to medical to government). There are lots of little things that seem like they obviously must be done X way but aren't in other countries
  • be careful with any investments. It's very easy to end up with PFICs which are punitively taxed (making retirement vehicles here in Japan outside of the national pension prohibitive for me, for instance).
  • celebrate
  • bring any snacks that you can legally bring but they can't legally sell (some things with food dyes, etc. if you really like them are banned in some countries to produce/sell but not eat).
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[–] PrimeMinisterKeyes 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)
  • Language is by far the most important door opener, so put in one hour of learning every day for at least a year.
  • Mingle to get out of your comfort zone: Go to after-work parties and flea markets, take public transit. Use hobbyist/ meet-up apps. Read/ watch the local news.
  • Don't expect to be invited, especially not to people's homes. People might also be uncomfortable being invited to your home. Meeting in a public place is almost always the better option, unless you've gotten to know someone really well.
  • Irony/ sarcasm don't translate very well between cultures.
  • Europe has some lousy weather, so get watertight coats and waterproof your shoes and backpacks.
  • Take it slow.
  • Also: Enjoy it! Europe is a fantastic little place at the crossroads between Asia and Africa and I would never want to leave.
[–] SpermGoobler 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

UK inhabitant here. Is being invited to someone's house a casual thing in the US? I don't think I've ever been invited by someone who isn't a close friend.

[–] Zer0_F0x 3 points 3 days ago

Greece here, we invite people to our homes all the time, even if we don't know them very well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

I lived in Italy and Germany and it does happen here. Mostly with friends you already know reasonably well though.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 days ago

Do you speak the local language, if not start getting courses now, even if many person are fluent in english, not everyone will want to speak English. (You know the joke about Parisian who don't know English if you start talking with them in English, but would switch to a perfect English if you have a slight foreign accent when speaking french)

Expect that even basic stuff won't work the same way as you're used too. It's already an issue when moving between two European countries, even basic stuff like what you can legally find on a lease or how to get health coverage will drastically change.

In southern Europe people are pretty touchy/tactile and an America would feel sexually harrassed, Nordic Europe is the other way around with pretty distant people where an American would pass for way too touchy/friendly

Learn to ride a bike, and expect to walk way more than in the US, also remember that even though winter are milder, Europe is way far up north than the US

[–] gusgalarnyk 29 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's worth it. I'm almost two years in Germany. Wouldn't move back for a million dollars (although at 3 I could be bought). Work on the local language, volunteer or other community involvement activities, treat it like the new home it is. We're fortunate to be able to move to a new country, try to be a part of improving it and earning your spot there. I'm even more fortunate to be white, male, straight etc - assuming you're at least some of those things, do your best to counter the anti-immigration fear mongering that comes out of the political right. It effects you now, but more importantly it's ramping up and it'll effect people less fortunate far worse.

Hope you love it and welcome to Europe.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I don't know if Denmark does it, but Norwegians love to use week numbers in corporate/education environments for scheduling instead of using dates like normal people, so you might end up in a situation where you have to check the calender to find out what date Monday week 42 might be.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Depending on where you'll live exactly, look up the local train and bus operator. If you're in a city, chances are, you won't even need a car most of the time.

Also get ready to install a different suite of apps. WhatsApp is big in europe, although Signal is obviously preferable when possible.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

Create a second gmail account when you get there. Many apps that you will need there don't exist in the US app/playstore, so you will need the second account to download them.

[–] Lennny 6 points 3 days ago

Buy fancy feast and put in on some toast. Now you know what danish food is like.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Plus one for taking language lessons. Even if you don't plan on getting fluent, it will help you settle in a lot more

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Including which country could help :)

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Don't bring a truck or guns with you. Change some dollars for euros. Remember that the US has an insane tax system that follows you abroad and you still have to file taxes in the US in addition to the country you live in.

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[–] cralder 18 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Since you are moving to Denmark: flee! Take a car and drive north to seek refuge in Sweden. Once you make it there you are safe, but you never know, the Danes could invade any minute. Keep driving north until you start seeing reindeer walking around like they own the place. Move into a cabin in the woods and never look back. The Danes can't reach you there.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Unless work is helping you out, expect to have difficulties opening up bank account in EU due to FATCA. Lots of banks don't want to deal with that, so they'll outright reject Americans.

As others have said, try to learn the language, at least a little. Although I'd say 90% of the population will know English.

Take ferry over to Germany if you want cheaper beer/wine/alc. The Swedes go to Denmark, and Danish go to Germany :).

Q: will you be returning to the US?

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Hej Frank!

Welcome in advance!

Where are you gonna live? You don't need to specify city, but perhaps approximate destination? Jylland, Fyn, Sjælland? And which part?

Which line of work?

Indeed, try to learn Danish even though it is a ridiculous language. I believe there are even free courses, although I am not absolutely sure. Here's a few words to get you started:

Hej/godmorgen/goddav' = hello/good morning/howdy (last word especially in Jutland) Farvel = goodbye Tak = thank you Velbekomme = you are welcome Undskyld = sorry Undskyld mig = excuse me Ingen problem = no worries Jeg hedder Frank = my names is Frank Godt at mΓΈde dig = nice to meet you Vi ses/hav det godt = see you/take care Hav en god dag = have a good day

And remember! Free health care! Free schools and education! Although you will pay higher taxes, lol.

Hope you will enjoy! And feel free to ask questions. I live very near Aarhus in Eastern Jutland.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Remember, they’re called just pastries over there.

[–] thevoidzero 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

What's called pastries though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Danish pastries…

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

Just dont pull a gun when some gets unauthorized on your property.

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