Is there a place where cars crash commonly into buildings? Looks like an incredibly rare event
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It's not rare in North America. If this article is to be believed, it happens on the order of about 100 times per day in the U.S.
It's honestly baffling how incorrectly the U.S is built.
Lmao. Completely contradicting the videos supposition
βIndeed, because so many of these collisions occur at relatively low speedsβ
From your article. Coincidentally that is where I stopped watching to. First he cites elderly and drunkenness after showing off multiple news reports of elderly and drunk people (in front of drug stores and snack shops) then tries claiming its just speed. No these are incompetent drivers who should be reviewed after a certain age. The drunk stuff is already illegal so good luck with that. I would remind people that some dust crazy stupid shit on horses when drunk back in the day too. So just getting rid of cars isnβt going to stop it.
It's honestly baffling how incorrectly the U.S is built.
It's easy to understand once you realize that the secret ingredient was racism.
Basically, it's because of a combination of mid-century modernist utopian urbanism (a big influence was Frank Lloyd Wright's "Broadacre City," which was really closer to the opposite of a city) and the effort to find new ways to perpetuate racism despite SCOTUS outlawing de-jure segregation.
More specifically, the newly-created FHA came up with preferred development patterns that were low-density and car-centric in part because it was expensive and therefore helped exclude black people, then redlined everything that didn't conform to that preference in order to deny black people financing for their homes and businesses.
(This reply lacks a lot of detail and nuance, mainly because I'm writing it on my phone and lack access to references to cite.)
Yes, that totally does happen. There is a street in Hamburg, Germany, where in recent years over 20 senior citizens drove into the local shops:
Taking into another level the meaning of drive-thru shop.
I thought the same way. Where the hell is that common?
This channel is always saying things like the Netherlands is heaven and everything good about the country is exclusive to the Netherlands and that the country is perfect with absolutely no faults.
I stopped watching the videos because it felt like every video was just an advertisement from the Netherlands tourist department.
The video opens with lots of examples of how often it happens where the maker is originally from.
Yeah, he always speaks like Canada (IIRC) is the whole world.
No he doesn't.
Well, I'm glad he has improved π
Am I supposed to acually watch that video or can I just use the most basic common sense?
Separating car traffic from bike traffic from pedestrian traffic adds a lot of layers between cars and buildings, while measures to calm down traffic -to protect those bikers and pedestrians- also reduces severe crashes (and you would need a lot of force to actually damage a building).
I always watch Not Just Bikes even tho its often common sense because his videos are kinda relaxing xD
His calm voice over some random footage of bikes driving around. Peak content haha
We should also blame car manufacturers. Why are cars built to accelerate to 100 in a few seconds from standstill? If you're parked (and the car can know the difference between being parked and a traffic light), why is acceleration not restricted? There is no reason for being able to accelerate like that in a parking space. You should get a much slower acceleration by default and car manufacturers could put that in their cars right now.
Or people could actually learn how to drive, then pay attention while driving, or they have their driving privileges revoked...
You could also use that argument against emergency braking systems and airbags. If there is a string of accidents, you should search for a solution to prevent them. Just blaming people does nothing
Isn't this precisely the "personal responsibility" argument called out in the video? Looking for someone to blame instead of putting that aside and looking for ways to simply making accidents less likely to happen?
The primary reason is most people can't drive. I don't mean they can't mechanically operate a vehicle and make it move, I mean they lack the skill required to do so competently and safely.
Judging by YouTube, reddit, and other video clip sources, two is clearly too many pedals for a portion of the population. Astounding.
Haha, this is exactly what the video is about! You are victim blaming. Road infrastructure should accommodate and encourage the type of driving you want.. and wide straight roads encourage faster driving leading to more and more serious accidents.
People are fallable, so design streets that are narrower and add complexity, separate traffic types and see the difference.
I know what the video says but that doesn't mean it's right just because it's a video someone made. It could be completely wrong, it could be right about one thing or about many things.
Roads should be designed with safety as a consideration but that doesn't excuse incompetent driving. You're in control of a weapon that can do serious damage, it shouldn't be a hot take to think that skill and consideration should be applied at all times when someone sits behind a wheel.
You claimed that lack of skill is the primary reason. How about you back that thing up before claiming that the video is wrong?
We can argue that some more regulation is needed, sure, but that is missing the point. It's not like the Netherlands only has good drivers, it's that a bad driver can rarely deal heavy damage because the infrastructure was well designed. You cannot remove all bad drivers from the road, the best driver in the world makes bad decisions if they're stressed and late.
You can blame the driver for making a bad decision and see the casualties as unfortunate. Or you can see the fault in the infrastructure, which made what could have been a fender-bender into a head-on collision, and see the casualties as preventable. Those views are not exclusive, but only the latter will actually prevent accidents.
Of course but the requirements for getting a licence should also be strict.
Again.. the issue is predominantly a systemic issue that hides itself from responsibility by pushing the responsibility to the individual without looking at the systemic causes.
Noone is saying the individual does not bear some responsibility, but making appropriate changes to the roads will help general safety more.
The US roads are so wide that they can easily be narrowed and a protected (separated with grass and trees) bikelane and sidewalk installed. Add some curves and watch this issue dissapear without doing anything on the PeRsOnAl ReSpOnSiBiLiTy!! Side of things. Plus it makes cities bikeable and more livable.
Sure but from what I have heard the USA has terribly low requirements for a license.
Both things should be done and the later is much cheaper and easier because you don't have to rebuild every single road.
License requirements can't be strict unless the infrastructure makes accommodations for people who fail. The US is so car-centric that driving has to effectively be an entitlement, even though it's supposed to be a privilege, in order for people not to be stranded at home.
Are you sure it's not that the road design is much safer in the Netherlands, like the video said?
You seem to do exactly what the video is criticising: finding someone at fault and moving on, instead of changing the street design so that a lack of skill does not result in catastophic crashes.
In the field of safety there is a concept called a "normal accident", or a system accident. Basically it says that in any complex system catastrophic accidents will always happen, because they are impossible to foresee (due to complexity) and thus prevent. That theory says you need to prepare for the consequence of the accident just as much as try to prevent it.
So, people are always going to lose control, you need to prepare for when it happens.
I'd say 90% are more or less competent. 10% are idiots and 1% are dangerous morons. A lot of the problem could actually be solved by regular retests.