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You should probably get a better grasp of statistics before you try to lie with them. Black people are homeless at a rate four times higher than whites, are you going to suggest melanin causes homelessness? Hawaiians experience it at a rate three times higher than black people, what could possibly explain that other than their hawaiianness? Here’s my source, which I note you neglected to provide for your own stats.
Are you going to suggest that race plays no factor and it's entirely a coincidence? What exactly are you suggesting here? "All the data must be pure coincidence"? "What even IS data anyways?"
I’m trying to suggest that correlation is not causation which is not exactly an esoteric fucking concept. Unless you think that their skin color is the cause for it and that the solution is forced skin lightening treatments.
And I'm trying to suggest "it's the sole cause" and "it has no impact whatsoever" are both fundamentally stupid things to say.
Skin color is not a cause you cretin, in whole or in part. The cause with black people is systemic racism and the cause for Hawaiians is the fact that they got turned into a fucking resort state and real estate spiraled. Just like the cause of homelessness is not mental illness, it’s an institutional unwillingness to provide them with homes.
Aka skin color, dumbass
System racism is not caused by skin color, either. It’s caused by racists and it’s not solved by fixing the colors to match.
Racists who are angry about...?
At least you admit that racism is a thing, so you're not completely bonkers.
Now let's pull back the analogy. We were comparing racism to mental disorders and drug use, right? Do you admit those are in fact things which exist?
They’re not angry about the color of their skin. If you think that they are then you really don’t understand racism. There are plenty of places in the world where two very similar groups are racist to each other over extremely minor differences that most outsiders would overlook.
Make your point or don’t I’m not playing along with your rhetorical framing.
Fine, let's go back a bit.
Your stance is that the mental/substance abuse aspects of many homeless people is in no way, in whole or in part, a cause of their homelessness. Correct?
I haven’t felt the need to bring this up yet since the reasoning is flawed regardless of the accuracy of the stats, but since I get the feeling you’re going to try and force me to defend that stance anyway. The actual number of homeless with mental health issues is closer to 30% compared to the baseline of over 20% for all US adults. Homelessness has a far greater correlation with housing prices, surprising absolutely no one that thought about it for more than two seconds.
No my stance is and always was that a single unsourced statistic that “80% of homeless people experience lifelong mental illness” is not proof that mental illness causes homelessness. Especially when presented without comtext to compare it to.
Cool, then guess what, YOU AGREE WITH THE PERSON YOU STARTED ARGUING WITH, dumbass. It's a factor. No one ever claimed it was the sole factor. It is a complicated issue.
No I don’t agree with them. They didn’t claim it was a mere factor they claimed it as the main primary factor that had to be solved to fix it. The issue is actually pretty fucking simple, if you give people homes they stop being homeless. There’s absolutely no evidence that mental illness is a cause rather than a symptom of homelessness.
Well that's just demonstrably untrue, but let's set that aside for a moment.
Sure, which is different from "the sole cause" which is what you've been bullshitting about.
If you both agree that mental illness is a contributing factor, but disagree on the severity, then you can start discussing as equals. Instead, you chose to REEEEEEEEEEEE and start a fight.
I don’t agree that is a contributing factor. That was not what I was arguing about before, because it wasn’t necessary to address it to point out the flawed reasoning that he was using.
A single incorrect and unsourced stat is not proof of shit, and your consistent refusal to address that makes it pretty fucking rich that you’re insulting me for not understanding the posts I’m responding to.
And if it’s demonstrably untrue then demonstrate it or fuck off.
You seriously disagree that untreated mental illness can lead to homelessness?
Dumb ass