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Is it time to make Election Day a federal holiday? 🗳️ Some say it would boost voter turnout and align the U.S. with other democracies, while others argue it could create challenges for hourly workers and cost millions. Dive into the debate over whether a federal voting holiday is the best way to strengthen democracy or if there are better solutions. Check out the full breakdown!

https://ace-usa.org/blog/research/research-votingrights/should-election-day-become-a-federal-holiday-weighing-the-benefits-and-drawbacks/

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[–] chiliedogg 21 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Easier solution than trying to have a single day off for everyone:

Since early voting is a thing, all employers should be required to give workers 1 paid flex day during voting season so they can vote.

They can even tie the flex day to evidence that they actually voted, so it truly encourages voting instead of just being an extra day off.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I don’t really think we need to police the extra day off. If someone was unable to vote that day for some reason, they shouldn’t be penalized.

[–] hihellobyeoh 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

While I agree we should police it, have you ever worked for a big corporation, they are going to police it...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 hours ago

The law can be written to prevent that easily. One flex day off for every employee during the election season is mandatory to give people the opportunity to vote.

That is how every other major holiday is handled. Just because I get a winter holiday break every year doesn’t mean that my employer checks to see if I was Santa eligible before I get the vacation.

[–] chiliedogg -3 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

The goal isn't to get people an extra day off, it's to get them to vote.

When I go to a conference or take paid time for education I'm required to prove what I was doing.

We should also fight to get people more general vacation time, sure. But as far as mandating days off for voting I think it makes sense to make sure that they use that day to vote.

Otherwise we'll just end up with a lot of cheap weekend cruises popping up to take advantage of all the extra holiday time around elections with no increase in voter turnout.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

God forbid Americans get more holiday time, especially considering that the rest of the developed world tends to get a lot more than we do.

[–] chiliedogg 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The purpose of a day off for election day is to get people to vote. Tying it to a requirement to actually vote (not even necessarily on the same day) gives an incentive to vote instead of just another day off.

They should be getting an extra month of vacation time in general, absolutely, but that has nothing to do with incentivizing voting.

I got extra time off work for having a Covid vaccination. Since I was getting vaccinated anyway, it was just more time off just like a voting day would be. But for some people, the extra time off was enough incentive to get them to go to Walgreens and get a shot. If they'd just given everybody extra time off for Covid vaccinations without us having to prove that we did it, then those who weren't planning to get the shot still wouldn't have. And the point was to get people vaccinated for public health.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The problem with that is that it incentivizes people who are uninformed about politics to vote randomly for a day off. Our issue is not that everyone needs to vote, but that everyone who chooses to is able to and not hindered by a company.

If they want to incentivize people to get informed and get involved, then they should abolish the electoral college so people will feel like their votes count in states where they are a minority. Reinstating voting rights for felons would also get people motivated, because people who have been burned by the system may want to work to change it.

Even with all that, there will be people who do not care, do not learn, and will not want to vote, and they should be given that option. They have deemed themselves unqualified, and that should be believed.

[–] chiliedogg 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's perfectly legal to turn in a blank ballot. When there's an uncontested candidate running for office in my area that I do not support our I don't know the difference between the candidates I simply don't select a candidate for that position while voting for the candidates and issues I do understand.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, but if someone intends not to vote at all, why waste their time and make lines longer by having them turn in a totally blank ballot?

[–] chiliedogg 1 points 1 hour ago

If inconveniencing a hundred thousand lazy assholes into spending 5 minutes turning in a blank ballot is the cost of getting thousands of other people to engage in the political process I think that's pretty cheap.

Especially if we do it annually and tie it to local elections. I'm a government employee and I've seen local elections with high stakes affecting a hundred thousand people get 50 votes total.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

God, Americans are so cucked when it comes to employee rights (I'm an American). Oh no, someone might get an extra day off!? Disgusting!

I get your point, and yes people should use the day to vote. But trying to mandate it, or police it in some way to make sure you didn't accidentally give your employee a day off for "no reason," is fucking absurd.

I imagine in most cases, it would probably even cost more to monitor, than the amount they lost for not having that employee for one day.

[–] chiliedogg 2 points 9 hours ago

This isn't about making sure businesses make more money. It's about incentivizing people to vote.

My business gave extra time off to people who got Covid vaccines because it incentivizes people to do something that's good for them and for society. For people who were already getting the vaccines it was a bonus day, and it gave the push for people on the fence.

It should be the same with voting. The reality is most people do have the opportunity to vote, but choose not to take the time to do it. An extra holiday won't change that.

Giving them an extra day off no-strings attached is a good thing. They should get an extra month. But if we are specifically trying to get people to vote, then that particular day off should come with strings just like my vaccine day.

[–] hydrospanner 3 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

How are you going to have evidence of voting?

[–] A_Random_Idiot 3 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Everyone that votes gets some variant of "i voted" sticker already, that changes every where, sooooo..

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I think I've gotten one of those stickers once in my decades of voting. I never outright ask, and most times they're out on the table or whatever... But no, they don't give them out like they're receipts.

However, giving each person a receipt would probably be pretty trivial...

[–] A_Random_Idiot 2 points 9 hours ago

weird, I've gotten one of those stickers every time i've voted my entire life. i thought it was just a given.

[–] hydrospanner 2 points 9 hours ago

I've only ever gotten a sticker twice...plus you can buy rolls of them online.

[–] chiliedogg 1 points 10 hours ago

As it is, they record who votes. It's how you can have multiple polling locations avaialbe but can only vote once.

It's not a huge leap from that to being able to prove to your employer that you voted.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Who cares about evidence of voting, you work enough days of the year, just take it for heavens sake. If I add up all days there are federal holidays in my country I get nearly 2 months worth and that is without paid or unpaid leave days you get from the employer

[–] hydrospanner 1 points 9 hours ago

None of which was the point of the question, but thanks for the added perspective.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

It's not about getting the day off: the goal is getting people to vote. Tying an extra day off to actually voting is more likely to get people to the polls

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

Yes, you give them the day off for election day. They know why they are off. If they're going to vote, they're going to vote. Simply giving everyone the day off is "getting people to vote."

Some sort of monitoring to make sure people are actually voting on the day is an absurd and pointless idea. If we're going that far, then just do what Australia does and make it compulsory.

[–] RememberTheApollo_ 0 points 10 hours ago

Unless the day off can only be used on voting day I think people will use it for their own purposes.