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[–] Cryophilia -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

So they’re only relevant when they’re not doing what you want?

There's far fewer leftists in relevant battleground states than there are moderates who we would alienate by a hard turn to the left.

The problem with Leftist "don't vote" rhetoric is that these moderates in battleground states...well, let's be honest. They're idiots. They're easily swayed. They're low information voters. They "don't like politics".

We don't care if a million voters in California break off and vote 3rd party, as long as they do so fucking quietly. If they influence 30,000 voters in Pennsylvania, we're fucked. Not as a party, but as a nation. It's shit, but that's the calculus behind FPTP.

Likewise, earning 15 million votes in California instead of 11 million, by championing Leftist causes, does not help Democrats get elected at all. But alienating just a few thousand voters in Michigan matters a LOT. You don't win Michigan and Pennsylvania and Georgia by championing leftist causes.

So yeah. You guys are too small in number to help us win, but loud enough in voice to help us lose.

And no, I refuse to conflate progressives with leftists. I've seen a lot of leftists trying to co opt the progressive label lately. Fuck that. Y'all are leftists.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

lol

Regardless

There are things that are popular to the majority of this country that will motivate people to turn out to vote other than keeping Trump out of office, and those things definitely aren't being tough on immigration or funding Israel's war on the middle east.

[–] Cryophilia -1 points 1 week ago