this post was submitted on 30 May 2024
481 points (91.3% liked)

Political Memes

5340 readers
4438 users here now

Welcome to politcal memes!

These are our rules:

Be civilJokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community. Sexism, racism and bigotry are not allowed. Good faith argumentation only. No posts discouraging people to vote or shaming people for voting.

No misinformationDon’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.

Posts should be memesRandom pictures do not qualify as memes. Relevance to politics is required.

No bots, spam or self-promotionFollow instance rules, ask for your bot to be allowed on this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It is pretty weird to call them "recovering from M-L" when M-L is how they industrialized and their current leaders economically looted the country into a state that can only be described as a kleptocracy with designs on restoring the Tsardom.

Especially when it's been over thirty years since the collapse.

But, on the other hand, if it makes conservatives mad...

[–] PugJesus -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You are correct in that 'recovering' is a strong word. 'Enduring' the lasting effects would be more accurate.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Enduring the lasting effects of brown fascists taking over from red fascists? Like, sure, that's inevitable when you create an immensely heirarchal state where absolute power lies in the government, but M-Ls didn't irreparably damage the Russian economy.

They're why it has one. The human rights abuses weren't necessary to make it, but their current problems simply aren't the fault of the Soviet industrialization programs, they're despite it.

Unless you blame the Soviets for making so many tanks and artillery shells that it gave Putin false confidence in his ability to conquer a nation with a quarter of Russia's population thirty years later even after they sold half of the stockpiles.

[–] PugJesus -4 points 4 months ago

but M-Ls didn’t irreparably damage the Russian economy.

They’re why it has one. The human rights abuses weren’t necessary to make it, but their current problems simply aren’t the fault of the Soviet industrialization programs, they’re despite it.

I feel like we could have a long argument about this, but at the same time, I'm not in the mood and it's not the main point of the meme anyway.

I disagree that the centralized, extractive system of the Soviet planned economy and its hyperfocus on heavy industry and neglect of basic civilian infrastructure in the Stalin and Brezhnev years were anything except absolutely ruinous to the long-term economic and physical health of what is now the Russian federation, with or without the collapse and 'shock therapy' of the 90s and the continued oligarchy of the 2000s and 2010s. You can refute that if you feel that's objectionable, but I'm gonna leave it here.