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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean they could add a diff thing, like how AUR helpers do it. It's not much, but it's something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Good ‘nuff.

I was probably saltier than I needed to be but I hate it when people just say shit, and it becomes a n unquestioned truth.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Nothing really. Arch is still great, I just kept having stuff happen where I’d suddenly find out there was a new bug in something at inopportune times. Just the nature of being bleeding edge. Nothing broke severely, but like if you want to join a Zoom call or play a game with friends or something, having something break randomly that you have to fix, even if it just takes a quick search or 5 minutes of troubleshooting can get tiresome.

Also, all of the customization stuff that Arch allows is not as appealing to me anymore since my skill level with Linux has reached a point where I can get super granular with pretty much any distro. Add to that flatpak reducing my need to depend on the AUR, and there you have it.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Link proof when you make accusations or shut the fuck up.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Used to be Arch, now I shill for Debian.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I kinda vibe with this. There was an odd wave of GPL hate that cropped up some time ago, and people started using MIT. It feels super weird. If companies want to use your code, they should probably have to commit back to upstream or pay for it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Also I cannot have systemd without binary logs.

This is literally just false.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Pretty sure they are absolutely relying on Red Hat. Red Hat provide the system plumbing for most linux distros, under the lgpl, and are heavily integrated into RHEL, Fedora, Rocky, Alma, Cent, Wayland, Pulseaudio, Pipewire & Gnome development.

Yes, and? If those things went closed source tomorrow, the previously open source would not disappear. People could continue to build on it.

Debian would not have had the most publicly painful year I’ve even seen it go through with the systemd debate and Lennart would not have issued Gentoo with a wakeup call from Red Hat.

There was a strong community discussion because a lot of people didn't like systemd. After a public democratic decision making process, a decision was made. If something significant happens, another discussion will happen. I don't understand why you're talking about disagreements as if they're the end of the world. "Publically painful"? What does that mean? Debian isn't a politican. Lennart issuing 'wake-up calls' to people is just him being a dipshit. It means nothing for Linux and it's usability.

I started using linux regularly around 2011 and the communities I joined then were concerned about Red Hat’s future plans and putting safeguards in place. Pat Volkerding, Daniel Robbins, Gentoo, Void, Crux and many others are better prepped to manage Red Hat going postal as they have been cautious of their approach for a decade or more.

Cool, the system is working as intended. Debian can swap Red Hat's technologies for the other ones. Do you think that it's not possible to run systemd free Debian, or use KDE instead of GNOME?

If Linus goes postal, not to worry, it’s foss, we can just fork the kernel, write a new one or get hurd feature complete over the weekend.

Yes. The decades of work on the kernel will not magically disappear, and people can continue that work. A new one wouldn't be necessary. Linus barely writes the majority of the kernel code any more. The kernel has shit loads of developers working on it regularly.

This is just FUD bullshit written by someone who doesn't understand how Linux has been working for the past decade.

 

I've seen a lot of posts about the Red Hat situation, and it made me want to talk about something I've been thinking about for some time.

Personally, I think Linux is inevitable. It's only getting better, and eventually there will be no real reason to use something like Windows. As a result, there are going to be distros that are going to be heavily dictated or influenced by large corporations, but that's fine. It's very similar to federation. If Microsoft does something shitty with Windows, you don't really have a choice but to deal with it, or to move to a similarly closed competitor. With Linux, that changes. You might have WindowsLinux or something like that, and Microsoft could put in all the insane telemetry, but only people who specifically need what Microsoft would offer will use it. Everyone else can just use the upstreamed code, and/or remove the telemetry - remember, it's open source. The big thing here is how much control any single company can have. For all the FUD that was/is pushed about systemd, what we've actually seen within the Linux ecosystem is that it's robust. Other distros still function perfectly well using systemd alternatives, with minimal if any feature loss. Even if a major part of the Linux system starts going haywire, it's always possible for the community to create an alternative or a fork, without losing the surrounding work.

None of this is the case with a closed source system. That's the beauty of open source. I think people get very scared at the ideas of corporations being involved, but corporations being involved is essentially why Linux is currently as viable as it is for end users. Hell, personally, I stopped using GNOME because of its seemingly user-hostile attitudes. I jumped to KDE which is only getting better, and seeing increasing user numbers for the same reasons I left GNOME. That's a good thing. FOSS gives people the ability to move away from toxic platforms and shitty choices, so I think everyone needs to just take a deep breath and calm down.

We're good.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nobody's "relying" on Red Hat. You guys are being insanely dramatic. It's FOSS software. If Red Hat loses their minds, systemd will just be forked, or there will be a discussion on where to move to next.

Good god.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Uh, yeah, Debian is about being stable. Being conservative is aligned with that. When you're a cornerstone distro, you want to be sure about the changes you're making, especially when they are likely to have long term, far reaching consequences.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Non free firmware specifically, since it's a really bad user experience for new users to just not have things work because they don't have the option to choose to use non-free firmware.

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