JupiterRowland

joined 1 year ago
 

See also here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Where'd you encounter that?

If you only want to visit OpenSimFest, you don't need an avatar on OpenSimFest's own grid. You can do that with an avatar on any other OpenSim grid as OpenSimFest's grid is connected to the Hypergrid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Unannounced by the Firestorm devs, Firestorm 7.1.11 Beta has been released already. At least from my POV, it has sped up a few things such as teleporting.

 

See also here.

 

See also here.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

The six accounts of the Confederation had around 3,500 subscribers in total. Seriously, what did they expect?

As many followers as they've built up in the Birdcage? With maybe 1% of users altogether? In a much shorter timespan?

And by running the accounts as pure shoutboxes with no interaction with replies that could just as well be unmarked crossposter bots?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Do you explain the Internet to your grandparents by explaining HTTP first?

Sorry to say, but the Fediverse would be a great deal smaller if it wasn't for millions of Twitter users who were railroaded straight to mastodon.social, not knowing anything about it except that it's allegedly "literally twitter without musk".

There are still people who have been on Mastodon since shortly after Musk bought Twitter out, and who shit brix upon discovering for the first time that the Fediverse is, in fact, surprisingly, who woulda thunk it, not only Mastodon.

These people wouldn't be here, had their introduction to the Fediverse started with an explanation of ActivityPub.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

The irony is that all it would take is one high profile person or a nation state to commit to using Mastodon, and slowly you would see the numbers start to increase.

Um, nope.

George Takei is on Mastodon. I've yet to see masses of Trekkies piling into Mastodon.

Greta Thunberg is on Mastodon. There has never been a huge influx of FFF members. Or Zoomers, for that matter.

The Dutch government has its own instance. The Federal German government has its own instance. Doesn't lure anyone into the Fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

The main cost is probably the extra workload put on their social media team having to publish to and interact with even more platforms.

They've yet to be caught actually interacting with someone. They've run the whole instance as nothing but a shoutbox.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Fediverse is not only Lemmy and Mastodon. Even the microblogging side is not only Mastodon.

Mastodon itself has a whole bunch of forks such as Ecko, Hometown and the very popular Glitch.

There's also Pleroma with its probably even more popular fork Akkoma.

There's Misskey with literally dozens of forks, including but not limited to Firefish (formerly Calckey), Iceshrimp (its rewrite Iceshrimp.NET won't be a fork anymore, though), Sharkey, CherryPick, Catodon etc. etc.

If you want something with more power, something that's much more like Facebook, there's Friendica and has been since 2010.

If you want something with vastly more power, think Facebook meets WordPress meets Google Cloud Services meets Fandom etc., there's Hubzilla. Whenever someone thinks "the Fediverse" needs to introduce a certain new feature just because Mastodon doesn't have it, chances are Hubzilla has had it for longer than Mastodon has even been around.

And so forth.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe it isn't as massive as Mastodon in the western world. But add all the users in East Asia, especially Japan where Misskey comes from, and you've got numbers that can't be ignored anymore.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Memes communities tend to be very popular

Maybe, but if it's limited in scope to memes about the Fediverse, the community might not exactly be overrun. Hardly anyone in the Fediverse memes the Fediverse, and outside the Fediverse where the huge majority of memes on Lemmy come from, nobody does.

That is, if such a community exists, maybe it'll drive people to meme the Fediverse in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Common fallacy that the only thing in the Fediverse that people use is Mastodon.

Misskey, for example, is bigger than Lemmy AFAIK.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

We'll see what comes out of this.

Mike has already implemented FEP-ef61 on (streams), and it seemed to have worked well under lab conditions. But then he rolled it out to release in July. Channels created on accounts registered after that point have decentralised IDs already. And surprisingly, it caused tons of bugs to the point of these channels not properly federating with anything. And since he's the only (streams) developer, he had to iron everything out himself. And quickly so because a few dozen people use (streams) as a daily driver.

In mid-August, he forked Forte from the streams repository. It was his vision of "the Fediverse of 2030": basically (streams), but only supporting ActivityPub anymore, with both (streams)' own Nomad and Hubzilla's Zot6 ripped out. Guess the idea was to have something with no extra protocols standing in the way of straightening FEP-ef61 and nomadic identity via ActivityPub. But this caused even more of a workload.

On August 31st, Mike sent a private post to his immediate connections (his channel is set up to send private posts by default) that said that he quits. He wanted to stop developing for the Fediverse because it got too much. The community could carry on if they want.

Trouble is, there's nobody among the few dozen (streams) users who has got what it takes, namely both the time and especially the skills to take over as a lead dev. One guy is ambitious, but he has only recently taught himself git just to make his own pre-FEP-ef61 branch for personal use. Then there are a few people who do know git, who may also know how to code, but who don't have the time.

We got one offer by a guy who wanted to rewrite (streams) from scratch. He had taken a look at the (streams) code, and he said that some of it is very old and crufty and mouldy. Of course, a lot of code probably still dates back to 2012 when Mike forked Red from Friendica to implement nomadic identity and rewrote the entire backend against Zot. Problem was, I think that guy came from Mastodon, he probably hadn't even seen Friendica in action, much less Hubzilla or even (streams), and he described himself as "thick", so we'd have to explain everything to him. Nobody even reacted.

Luckily, Mike is still Mike. He can't keep his fingers off improving the Fediverse. Every couple days, we see commits to the streams repository and/or Forte. It's just that things are moving forward very slowly now. The community is trying to figure out what and where the bugs can be by examining log files and whatnot, but nobody can track them down in the source, much less fix them and submit a PR, and that isn't talking about merging the PR.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I hope this Join the Fediverse Wiki article can help you. I've written it myself.

It's mostly written to pick up Mastodon users who don't know much about the rest of the Fediverse, so it doesn't really explain how Hubzilla relates to Lemmy. I hope it helps anyway.

 

I've noticed that there isn't a single Lemmy community, Mbin magazine etc. for Fediverse memes.

Is that because 99.9% of the Threadiverse came directly from Reddit, almost all Lemmy communities and *bin magazines are outposts of subreddits, and Reddit doesn't meme the Fediverse because hardly anyone on Reddit knows the Fediverse in the first place?

Is it, in addition, because especially Lemmy is too detached from the rest of the Fediverse to know what's memeable and to really understand memes about the Fediverse outside Lemmy?

Or is it simply because Fediverse memes go into other, more general communites/magazines where they simply drown in the flood of other threads?

I mean, I barely see any memes about the Fediverse anywhere on Mastodon. That may be either because your typical Mastodonian is not cut from meme-maker wood, or your typical Mastodonian doesn't know enough about the Fediverse beyond Mastodon, or next to nobody hashtags their meme posts. so they're impossible to find.

And so I thought that this is more common in the Threadiverse, seeing as how meme-happy Reddit is.

 

I'm asking because it is really difficult to find a place for discussing accessibility in Fediverse posts beyond the limits of any one Fediverse server application.

I'm looking for something

  • in the Fediverse
  • with technology that supports discussions
  • where users know the Fediverse beyond whatever software that particular place is running on
  • where users know something about how and why to make Fediverse posts accessible for e.g. blind users
  • where users take this topic seriously instead of seeing it as a gimmick
  • where it's likely enough for someone to reply to posts

Mastodon takes accessibility very seriously. But Mastodon users never look beyond Mastodon. Every other Mastodon user doesn't even know that the Fediverse is more than only Mastodon. Most of those who do have no idea what the rest of the Fediverse is like, including what it can do that Mastodon can't, and what it can't do that Mastodon can. Many Mastodon users even reject the Fediverse outside Mastodon, and be it because it "refuses" to fully adopt Mastodon's culture and throw its own cultures overboard. This would include using features that Mastodon doesn't have. You're easily being muted or blocked upon first strike if you dare to post more than 500 characters at once.

I myself am mostly on Hubzilla. Not only is Hubzilla vastly more powerful than Mastodon, it is also vastly different, and being older than Mastodon as well, it had grown its own culture before Mastodon came along. Still, three out of four Mastodon users have never even heard of the existence of Hubzilla, and many who do are likely to think it's basically Mastodon with a higher character count, extra stuff glued on and a clunky UI.

If you try to discuss Fediverse accessibility on Mastodon, you end up only discussing Mastodon accessibility with exactly zero regards, understanding or interest for what the rest of the Fediverse is like.

Besides, Mastodon has no good support for conversations and no real concept of threads. It is impossible to follow a discussion thread or to even only know that there have been new replies without having been mentioned in these replies. Thus, any attempt at discussing something on Mastodon is futile.

Hubzilla itself is great for discussions. It even has had groups/forums as a feature from the very beginning. In practice, however, it has precious few forums. The same applies to (streams) even more.

Discussing Fediverse accessibility is completely futile on both. They don't "do accessibility". To their users, alt-text is some fad that was invented on Mastodon, and Hubzilla and (streams) don't do Mastodon crap, full stop. In fact, their users hate Mastodon with a passion for deliberately, intentionally being so limited and trying to push its own limitations, its proprietary, non-standard solutions and its culture upon the rest of the Fediverse. At the same time, they don't really know that much about Mastodon, and they aren't interested in it.

Most of this applies to Friendica as well, but Hubzilla and (streams) users sometimes go as far as disabling ActivityPub altogether to keep Mastodon and the other ActivityPub-based microblogging projects out, and they don't care if Friendica ends up collateral damage. They hate the non-nomadic majority of the Fediverse that much.

If you try to discuss Fediverse accessibility on Hubzilla, nobody would know what you're even talking about, and nobody would want to know because they take it for another stupid Mastodon fad. They probably don't even understand why I accept connection requests from Mastodon in the first place.

Here on Lemmy, I've seen a number of dedicated accessibility communities. But they seem to be only about accessibility on the greater Web and in real life and not a bit about accessibility in the Fediverse specifically. I'm not even sure if Lemmy itself "does accessibility" in any way. And I'm not sure how aware Lemmy is of the Fediverse beyond Lemmy, /kbin and Mastodon.

Besides, these communities aren't much more than the admin posting stuff and nobody ever replying. So I guess trying to actually discuss something there is completely useless. If I post a question, I'll probably never get a reply.

The reason why I'm asking here first is because this community is actually active enough for people to reply to posts. But I'm not sure if it's good for discussing super-specific details about making non-Threadiverse Fediverse posts accessible.

 

Apparently, since the 0.18.0 upgrade, Lemmy doesn't have any outbound federation with non-Lemmy instances anymore.

Searching for communities, subscribing to communities and reading posts from communities on Lemmy 0.18.0 instances from at least Mastodon 4.1.0 and Hubzilla 8.4.2 no longer works. Doing the same with communities on the same instances running Lemmy 0.17.x from the same Mastodon or Hubzilla instances running the same versions still used to work.

Affected Lemmy instances include sh.itjust.works and lemmy.ca.

See also my bug report.

 

I've stumbled upon a weird phenomenon here on sh.itjust.works.

A couple of days ago, [email protected] was launched. I was able to subscribe to it from Hubzilla, and I know that several people were able to subscribe to it from Mastodon.

Just recently, probably coinciding with the 0.18.0 upgrade the community seemed to have disappeared, just to resurface a few hours later.

Afterwards, I tried to post to that community from Hubzilla. I've successfully posted to test communities on various other Lemmy instances from the same Hubzilla channel successfully. This time, however, I didn't see the post appear, neither on Lemmy itself nor on Hubzilla outside my personal stream. Even 17 hours later, the post appeared nowhere.

@[email protected], creator and sole moderator of !opensim, said she couldn't access the community from Mastodon either. She couldn't even find it by searching for it.

I tried to search for it myself, both on Hubzilla and on a Mastodon account I use with a different identity. While I could easily find communities on other Lemmy instances, I could not find !opensim.

Strangely, I couldn't find !main either. Again, neither from Hubzilla nor from Mastodon.

At first glance, it looked like sh.itjust.works either had problems federating with anything that isn't Lemmy, problems other instances don't have, or it had massively defederated or something.

So I created an account here to report this issue. And even more strangely, all of a sudden, I can see posts in !opensim when I'm logged in, even one that was done before the upgrade. When I'm logged out, I still can't see them.

What could possibly have caused these phenomena, and how, if at all, could they possibly be overcome?

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