DropBear

The parallels between Fascism/Nazism and 🇮🇱 Zionism are indisputable @AntiOutsideAktion but not really relevant. Zionist hasbara introduces complications as distraction.

For example; arguing about, who was "there" "first", then introducing ancient mythology (which actually tends to disprove their arguments).

@GarrulousBrevity

@Tangentism
It was Ilan Pappé, I think, who quipped:
"Zionists don't believe in God, but they'll all tell you that God gave them Israel."
🇮🇱 Zionists are as Jewish as is convenient at any moment.
@GarrulousBrevity

I think you'll find that all of the "original Zionists" were Christian @GarrulousBrevity
What we now call "Zionism" grew after the Protestant Reformation, and is rooted in 17th-century English Puritanism.

It had two significant streams:

1. the return of Jews to Palestine (basically, a way to rid Europe of its Jews - a form of antisemitism, a couple of centuries before that term was coined);
2. the second coming of Jesus (Jews who want to survive don't remain Jewish).

At the time, Jewish communities weren't impressed. In the 19th century, Herzl and his friends exploited the movement to their own ends.
@Cowbee

#Israel
#Palestine
#Zionism

@Maggoty
@TruthSandwich is a well-known troll. It proved so obnoxious that no other Mastodon instance would put up with it. It had to start its own instance. The fact that it could do that implies financial (and probably political) backing. I've blocked that domain, so I can't see what you're responding to.

#Palestine
#Israel
#genocide
#hasbara
#zionism
#CrimesAgainstHumanity

You are Hasbara without end @Varyk

Such depth of dishonesty.

Blocking now.

"if you don’t understand the comments"
@Varyk
You demand that I provide evidence for things that I didn't say. That might seem tactically clever, but is it honest?

I ask for evidence to support things that you did say and you can only repeat your assertions. Is repetition evidence?

@freshcow
@palestine
@israel

#USpol
#IsraelPalestineConflict
#Israel
#Palestine
#WarCrimes
#CrimesAgainstHumanity
#genocide

I didn't mention any "sources" @Varyk
I said that I'd be interested to see your evidence. You've tacitly conceded that you have none.

@freshcow
@palestine
@israel

#USpol
#IsraelPalestineConflict
#Israel
#Palestine
#WarCrimes
#CrimesAgainstHumanity
#genocide

"this is absolutely incorrect,"
I'd be interested to see your evidence @Varyk

@freshcow
@palestine
@israel

#USpol
#IsraelPalestineConflict
#Israel
#Palestine
#WarCrimes
#CrimesAgainstHumanity
#genocide

How many Israelis are truly Jewish @PanArab ?
#Palestine
#Israel
#genocide
#WarCrimes
#CrimesAgainstHumanity
#rape
#torture
@palestine @israel
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/are-israelis-jews-returning-to-jewish-minority-life/

@EchoCT
The US is faced with a choice of evils. Harris or Trump. The primitive US system will lead to one or the other occupying the Oval Office.

Having the right to vote makes you responsible for the outcome of the election. If you don't vote, then you're still responsible. If you vote for someone who can't win, then you're still responsible. There is no escape.
#USpol
#Palestine
#Israel
#Gaza
#genocide
@dessalines

It's a tangled web @aasatru
The roots run deep. 🤔 To mix metaphors.

I haven't actually read Herzl, but he reportedly wasn't at all religious. He exploited what suited his ends. Part of his solution was that Jews would convert to Christianity. That's probably his exploitation of the Christian mythology.

Herzl recognised that Palestine is too small to hold all of the world's Jews. The ones that wouldn't fit, he saw as dying out. His solution for the existing population of Palestine was evidently similarly brutal (in practice, if not in expressed theory).

Israeli Zionism is running true to form.
#Palestine
#Israel
#colonialism
#zionism

@aasatru
I've read that Jewish Zionism takes many forms. Among them, that Zion is wherever Jews are.

Complicating that is that Jewish Zionism springs from Christian Zionism. That's a Protestant reinterpretation of scripture dating from the turn of the 17th century.

Jews didn't start using the term 'Zionism' in relation to themselves until the late 19th century. Herzl adopted (or perhaps developed) the Jewish master race interpretation. Other groups evidently took different paths.

Originally, Palestine wasn't part of the plan. Locations around the world were considered. Somebody (probably Herzl) realised that they could leverage the historical connection to Palestine. It also plays into the Christian rapture/second coming narrative, which was significant in the British involvement. The image is from the link that I posted earlier.
#Palestine
#Israel
#colonialism
#imperialism