How the fuck is anyone associated with Jan 6th not banned from holding any government job?
He was convicted and along with jail sentences, bans from all government institutions should have been included.
…same goes for the shitty orange man once he’s convicted.
Edit: a word
As a convicted felon, he’s barred from voting, but he can still run for office. FFS
That part is confusing AF. Like, he’s lost his right to chose government officials but still has the right to become one? What the actual fuck?!
I think the logic is so politicians can't just slap someone with a charge in a kangaroo court to block them from running as opposition.
Given how fucked up the ~~justice~~ punishment system is in this country, I can't say I don't agree with it, even if I hate it in situations like this.
And that logic somehow doesn't apply to the right to vote, which should never be removed ever.
~~14th Amendment, Section 3. He IS banned.~~ Edit: totally forgot prior oath of office requirement, dbag joined the US Navy prior and violated that oath, but wasn't holder of any office so section 3 wouldn't apply.
Enforcement of this law is the issue. There is no method or apparatus detailed in the amendment for enforcement, so this gets left to Secretaries of State or the Judiciary to make a ruling.
This is what is being litigated in multiple states for keeping Trump off the ballot.
That section specifies that people who have previously held office and sworn an oath to protect the constitution who have subsequently engaged in insurrection.
Oh fuckballs you're entirely correct and I'm dumb. I don't know why I struck that from my mind that the entire section required a previous oath.
No worrries. It seems like a good idea to prevent anyone engaged in insurrection against the US.
Agreed. The 14th needs clarification anyway with some "shall not be eligible" and details on how to define one having engaged in insurrection/rebellion (with or without convictions) so we just need a new amendment. Simple! ...D'oh.
Hopefully we get some good case law precedent out of the current state suits to give the 14th some teeth, even if it still wouldn't apply nationally or to this wacko.
Admitting you were wrong should allow double upvotes.
Because there wasn't a law in place and you don't get to make laws retroactively.
A better question might be, how do we address this sort of thing moving forward?
Insurrection act?
That's the 14th Amendment and only applies to people who took an oath.
"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."
John Q. Asshole can't be held accountable under this provision. We gotta play by the rules and the bullies don't. Sucks, but here we are.
How the fuck is anyone associated with Jan 6th not banned from holding any government job?
Murrika.
I'm pretty sure "obstructing an official proceeding" doesn't and shouldn't ban anyone from holding office. He also shouldn't be banned from voting, but that is just a normal justice reform issue.
As a felony convict, Chansley can run but not vote in the election.
And this is all you need to know about American politics to understand why America is a fucking joke.
How can someone who commits treason and joins an insurrection swear an oath to the constitution?
Was he convicted of Treason anywhere? That should answer your question.
Wasn’t this the same traitor who complained about prison food being non-organic or something?
Holy fucking shit! I never looked closely at this guy or ever caught his name but I worked (briefly) with this piece of shit. He was fired after a couple of weeks for sleeping on the patio furniture in uniform in the middle of the sales floor.
And, was he good at his job??
He was ok with people but was usually crashing off of something and trying to find places to sleep during the day. At that time (2008/9-ish?) he just sort of gave off a weird hippie dude vibe and talked about the navy a lot.
It gets boring how the show runners come up with ideas that are crazier and crazier just to keep the people interested. They should just make the show end with a decent finale.
I'm hoping this is the final season of The Republicans.
I get why this newsworthy, but can we not give this idiot our attention?
There aren't 27 months between Nov. 2021 and March 2023. Unless they're saying he was incarcerated earlier and that time served was credited against his sentence... Poorly written regardless.
Why does it look like he's nutting in this photo?