Welcome to c/linux!
Welcome to our thriving Linux community! Whether you're a seasoned Linux enthusiast or just starting your journey, we're excited to have you here. Explore, learn, and collaborate with like-minded individuals who share a passion for open-source software and the endless possibilities it offers. Together, let's dive into the world of Linux and embrace the power of freedom, customization, and innovation. Enjoy your stay and feel free to join the vibrant discussions that await you!
Rules:
Stay on topic: Posts and discussions should be related to Linux, open source software, and related technologies.
Be respectful: Treat fellow community members with respect and courtesy.
Quality over quantity: Share informative and thought-provoking content.
No spam or self-promotion: Avoid excessive self-promotion or spamming.
No NSFW adult content
Follow general lemmy guidelines.
every time gnome tries to do things, it gets further away from the gnome i loved...
whilst there is a lot of interesting thinking here, it's fundamentally trying to solve a problem I don't want solved. I don't want the pile of papers on my desk to never overlap, it's already overlapping and hiding each other based on where my brain knows they are. It's a mess, but it's a mess my brain knows. it's a structural mess.
leave my windows alone!
It may not be of interest to you personally, but the growing popularity of tiling window managers means there's a lot of demand for this type of feature.
As long as they give the user the ability to opt out/in, what's the harm in introducing it?
The key point we keep coming back to with this work is that, if we do add a new kind of window management to GNOME, it needs to be good enough to be the default. We don’t want to add yet another manual opt-in tool that doesn’t solve the problems the majority of people face.
In the end, this is an open platform and if they make something I don't like, I'll just use something else. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't voice what I see as a misstep forward taking gnome further from the kind of interface that made it so successful.
But they also say that the classic "floating" window state would still be one of the three options. In this case, this would effectively allow users to keep the "standard" behavior if they want.
Yeah, the "classic" mode. Let's just say that I don't believe them. Or that it won't last long. I've been around long enough to see gnome change drasticly for the design teams pet projects, and usually flying in the face of what users actually ask for.
Which is really all I'm saying, this is another step by the gnome design team, away from the reasons that users originally picked gnome. You might be a fan of tiling window managers, but general users, especially ones who have picked gnome for potentially decades, generally won't be.
it’s fundamentally trying to solve a problem I don’t want solved.
It's trying to solve a problem that does not exist IMHO.
Their use cases are children and old people, which are users that probably use a single app at the time anyway.
It's not true to say their use cases are just "children and old people"; they're saying that while it's more of a obstacle to ease-of-use in those groups, all users have to manually relocate poorly placed application windows.
If the OS can remove the need to do that, it improves workflow.
The year of the KDE desktop is finally upon us
If a new window doesn’t fit (e.g. because it wants to be maximized) it moves to its own workspace.
The worst possible thing, as expected from Gnome by now. That's why I still use Unity7.
@cx0der
I really like this. Gnome could be just settling and following what other DEs already do, but instead it is inovating. This type of move will always piss off people that already have a set way of organizing themselves, but I am really interesting in testing new stuff. Can't wait it see it implemented
Yeah not everybody likes it but I love how they try to go beyond the normal way of working and improve on it. Instead of sticking to existing ways which are ingrained into people.
Mosaic actually sounds pretty nice. Personally I don't think it should be on by default but I really like the experimentation on this subject.
MacOS tries to solve the problem a different way with Stage Manager, and it does take some time to get used to but overall it's very nice to use.
This is probably going to make me sound like a curmudgeon, but:
While most of us are used to this system and its quirks, that doesn’t mean it’s without problems. This is especially apparent when you do user research with people who are new to computing...
I don't understand this thinking (1), and worse, the workflow described seems like it will just make things more confusing (2).
(1) Most tools humans have developed are not especially intuitive - you usually need someone to teach you at least the basics, and then you need to practice. Consider a driving a car, operating a sewing machine, a microwave... Even something "simple" like a hammer has features that need to be explained ("turn it around, and you can use the claw on the back to remove nails").
(2) This seems like it just introduces more inconsistency. Right now, a new window opens on top, and you move it and size it however you need. This works for all windows. With the model described, windows sometimes float next to each other (but the arrangement is random), some times tile, and other times will open on a new workspace. And the tiling features get even more confusing - dragging one window over another causes them to tile, but what if I actually just want them to overlap?
I feel like this is just going to annoy anyone used to the current system and still require a learning curve for anyone new to computing.
I've used gnome 2 and 3, Unity, KDE 3, 4, and 5, and am on gnome 44 now - I actually think the current world is pretty good. I'd much rather see quarter tiling and gesture customization than a whole new window management paradigm.
Exactly, I don't get how these people are supposed to be UI UX experts but don't understand that inconsistent behaviour is a very fast way to confuse and break user trust.
Very excited to see where this will go. I don’t use gnome, but if it manages to become the perfect mix of TWM and the traditional floating layout, then this could be huge