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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/2207898

Did you ever hear the tragedy of WebP The Efficient? I thought not. It’s not a story the GIF gang would tell you. It’s an image legend.

WebP was a new format of pictures, so efficient and so lightweight, it could use modern compression to influence the web pages to actually load faster…

It had such a knowledge of the user's needs that it could even keep transparency and animations from dying.

The power of modern computing is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

It became so widespread… The only thing we had to be afraid of, was people insisting on using formats from the 90's, which eventually, of course, they did.

Unfortunately, we didn't teach the noobs everything we knew about compression, then the noobs killed the format by converting it to PNG and sharing that.

Ironic. We could save the web from being too slow, but not from the users.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The only problem I have with .webp and .webm is that not that many applications support them and need to be converted first.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

This. Many viewers still dont support it for some reason so despite all technical glory, effectively its often mostly a nuisance. Cmp ogg/vorbis and possibly countless other examples. Adoption is everything for web formats.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No, there's also the problem that they're Google developed formats. I think an increasing number of us want to be done with Google as much as possible, and there are good alternatives that aren't getting the support they need right now to give us that freedom.

[–] WhoRoger 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand that but we really fucking need to be moving from jpegif. MP3 and MPEG2 were commercial formats too (actually so was jpeg iirc?) and look where they got us. We just really need someone to get the ball rolling to start using newer formats.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I hate Google too, but if they are proper open specification formats and aren't encumbered by patents, why does it matter that Google created them? Open format is open format regardless of its creator.

Do these formats have some DRM capability or other nefarious reason to avoid them or is it just because they were created by someone we don't like?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

That's like saying that I don't want to develop using react.js because it was created by Meta.

[–] WhoRoger 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why are so many people using image viewers from 1993? Nothing against nostalgia, but...

[–] funnystuff97 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Discord doesn't support webp, that's probably one of the biggest ones.

[–] ryannathans 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Discord profits from big inefficient formats so you buy nitro

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

For me, it's not image viewers, but websites that take photo uploads. None of them that I've ever used have supported webp, so I always have to convert to png or jpg.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

What applications are those?

[–] TwanHE 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ofcourse I know him. He's me

[–] WhoRoger 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kill him. Kill him now.

Seriously.... Please don't. Or at least don't ever share that shit back to the web. It gets even worse when people then rename the png to jpg and it's a whole fucking mess. I've been trying to figure out where the hell all those bloated hi-res pngs all over the web come from, until I stumbled upon this answer.

Just download an updated app that can read webp for crying out loud. Do people convert x265 to QuickTime too?

Besides, everywhere where I've encountered webp in the wild, the image url has something like ?format=webp at the end, so you can just delete that and get the original, if you really have to.

[–] TwanHE 4 points 1 year ago

It was on by default for me, but I'm also not downloading pictures to repost so it's fine.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Good damn it...

I've got jerboa, thunder, wefwef... And now liftoff.

It's like I'm going for the fucking infinity gauntlet

Thanks!

Edit: STOP FUELING MY ADDICTION :'(

[–] WhoRoger 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

And that's just the FOSS options

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Also try Sync for lemmy and Connect

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Haha I have the same issue with mastodon and matrix apps

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Webp is just one more instace of Google trying to own the modern web.

Give me JPEG XL or give me death, motherfuckers.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I prefer AVIF, it has significantly better browser support, and since AV1 is getting all the hardware support avif will benefit from this too.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm still mad over the JPEG xl drama

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hold up: what drama? I thought everyone was just dragging their feet on implementing compatibility for it

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Since Chrome decided to cancel it a bunch of other software has implemented it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

JPEG XL, the one true king.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anakin Skywalker : I've just learned a terrible truth. I think this Chancellor Palpatine meme is a jpeg.

Mace Windu : [suprised] A jpeg?

Anakin Skywalker : Yes, the one we've been looking for.

Mace Windu : How do you know this?

Anakin Skywalker : I saved the file and it's a jpeg, not a webp.

Mace Windu : Are you sure?

Anakin Skywalker : Absolutely.

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[–] bouh 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jpeg is not what makes the Web slow. The dozens of requests to Google and all the add services and then the add videos.

When an addblocker makes the page loads so much faster, webp is definitely not what will save Internet.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Webp... For web pictures. Then why are there webp files on my non web harddrives? Give me PNG, SVG, JPEG and GIFs. Not this ugly Google shit. I never liked it in the first place. And take your shitty webm with you.

[–] ryannathans 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They are smaller and higher quality, why use archaeic formats?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only thing I don't like about webp is it can either be lossy or lossless, with png and jpg you know if it's lossless or not.

[–] WhoRoger 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Unfortunately there are lots of jpegs resaved or screenshotted to png out there, so that doesn't help if you don't know the history of the file.

Heck, there are even lots such pngs with their extension changed to jpg, which you might not notice unless you check for details or your image viewer differentiates between various formats.

This whole thing has been a mystery for me for months and I couldn't I figure out where do such botched files come from, until I realised it's probably because people can't handle webps and so are making a mess of things.

[–] ChrislyBear 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm against using a Google OS (Android, Chrome OS), to browse on a Google regulated web (Manifest V3), based on a Google protocol (Protobuf) loading pages via Google proxies (Google AMP) filled with Google Ads displayed using a Google format (webp, webm), while everything is recorded and fingerprinted to update my Google Ad Profile.

No, thank you very much!

More open formats, more open Internet! Down with Google!

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I just hate that Meta Messenger (where I communicate most with my friends) doesn't let me share webp images. Also it labels them as gif.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've never heard anyone complain about webp before. What's the problem?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Cant seem to open it with shit after I save it

[–] WhoRoger 6 points 1 year ago

Well if you're trying to open pictures with shit...

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Waited ages for webp to have great browser support and it finally does. Plenty of image compression services let you choose a webp output which is a great space saver :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's still a godsend for large comic book archives. Thx comicrack for supporting this wicked new format since August 2013!

edit: there's also a relatively new plugin for avif and jpegxl support.

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