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[–] [email protected] 1 points 39 minutes ago

If you're voting for the lesser evil, you are still voting to reduce harm.

Remember that. You can't save everyone, but if you save NO ONE that's on you.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

If you have a problem with this line of reasoning then your actual problem is first past the post voting.

Abolish first past the post voting and you can finally actually vote for things you like, rather than against things you hate, but we're stuck in first past the post voting, so, you must vote strategically.

[–] Bonskreeskreeskree 11 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Just curious, do you really expect Republicans or democrats to support legislation to end their stranglehold on American politics?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

"In 2023, 74 bills were introduced supporting ranked-choice voting and 57 of these bills had only Democrat sponsors. In fact, just eight percent of the total bills received bipartisan support."

No, but there's one party that has shown support for it and one party that has attempted to outright ban it.

It's an easy choice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 39 minutes ago (1 children)

There's one party that pretends to support it publicly as long as they can blame the Republicans for "blocking it".

Ftfy. This is the Democrats go to game plan.

It is insulting to pretend Democrats support ranked choice voting while they're suing to keep it off of the ballot in DC.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 minutes ago

There are some democrats that support ranked choice voting.

There are almost no republicans that do.

It is still an easy choice.

[–] RedditWanderer 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Dictatorships are a terrible place to live because the wealth of the nation doesn't depend on the citizens. Illiterate slaves can dig-up a mine.

Democracies on the other hand are better places to live not because the people are better, but because the wealth of the nation is dependend on the productivity of the citizens. That's the only reason you have a highway to the hospital.

Vote in the party you think will enact change, and protest / halt the economy until changes start happening. Right now politicians and corporations don't care nobody is happy, it's not affecting their bottom line. Id argue in recent years they accelerated their abuse because there are no consequences.

The parties in place won't do it themselves, the people need to do it

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I sure wish more of these people that are all hung up on an issue would vote in the primaries. You know, where you have at least a slim chance of changing things.

[–] pjwestin 10 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Given how Harris was chosen, I'm really not sure this is the year to make that argument.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 57 minutes ago (1 children)

I look at the 2016 primaries, and the 2020 primaries, and I have little reason to expect people to suddenly show up for the primaries. They just show up to bitch about their lack of choice leading up to the election.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 29 minutes ago (1 children)

2016 and 2020 make great examples of how the Democratic establishment rallies around their preferred candidate to ensure that The centrist choice wins. There was a lot of activism in the primaries, how in the world can you call that "showing up to bitch"? Then this year Biden conveniently did not allow us to have primaries.

You really can't tell progressives to just "vote in the primaries" when it's very clear that Democrats will do everything in their power to prevent a progressive from being nominated.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 minutes ago

I agree with everything you say. At the same time, if more of the people bitching about the ultimate candidate actually voted in the primaries they may have made a difference. I get it. Everybody knows that the dice are loaded, everybody knows that the good guys lost.

[–] chaogomu 3 points 3 hours ago

It was Biden/Harris. He stepped down, but that doesn't suddenly mean that she has to. And with the way the rules around succession and such are worded, especially campaign finance, she was the only choice. Because she was already the VP nominee.

But most importantly, Biden stepped down for the good of the country, and Harris has stepped up.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago (8 children)

Every four fucking years of my entire voting lifetime is an influx of liberals that are so horny for voting between the lesser of two evil establishment shits that I want to jump off a cliff in Skyrim every time I have to read this type of divisive rhetoric that literally alienates real people with real concerns who would never support Trump. I wish Harris was as leftist as Trump makes her out to be but noooo "sMaLL bUsinEsEs" and "most LETHAL military" and "the bOrdER bill" and "Isntreal has a right to" suck my fucking glock.

I want to go live with the fucking socialist Linux penguins in Antarctica.

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[–] douglasg14b 26 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (7 children)

This is exactly why we need ranked choice voting.

Winner takes all essentially demoralizes and alienates voters and drives people who agree with each other to fight because they're trapped in a broken system.

So instead of fighting the system, it's easier to just blame other people and alienate more of them against your cause, shooting yourself in the foot with ignorance. It's kind of disgusting.

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