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Removing Windows Recall breaks File Explorer in latest 24H2 update - NotebookCheck.net News (www.notebookcheck.net)
submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by [email protected] to c/technology
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I wish I was a billion dollar company who gets away with stuff like this. Just generally break people's systems, add spyware, lie to users, treat them like shit.

All while making even more money and my stocks keep on going up, because AI, Ai, Ai...

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 49 minutes ago) (1 children)

Just install Linux, get it over with, more away from the clutches of Microsoft, use a system that is free and easy to work with.

Yeah, Linux is not perfect, nothing is. Might Linux require you in some cases to do some extra work? Maybe. Windows does not? Did you read this post? Did you read the countless other posts where Microsoft makes your life harder on purpose, triest to spy juuuust a little harder on you? Where Microsoft tries to fuck you over, yet again? Where Microsoft for the Nth time purposefully and willfully ignored security threats to save money or face, allowing even the US government to be hacked cuz better for Microsoft?

Seriously, it's like watching a woman with a best up face defending her husband, he isn't that bad, or if I leave I will be without this thing I need, omg, what will I do?

Just. Leave. Switch to linux, and be done with this shit

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah I have no clue why people think this is how they deserve to be treated.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 days ago

I removed Recall just fine and now my Windows environment is Linux

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So, some important context: you can disable Recall still. The only thing you can't do is delete the files for it.

So it's another potential attack surface for malware to target, something that Microsoft could enable in an update (so use Group Policy to disable it, they way they give companies with legal requirements to do so properly), and some space on your harddrive wasted.

This is NOT Microsoft requiring people to enable Recall for Explorer to work.

Still an egregious amount of bullshit, but not as much as the headline might lead you to believe.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

This is NOT Microsoft requiring people to enable Recall for Explorer to work.

yet ™️

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I'm wondering how the dod is going to fix this. I'll have to look at their stuff files.

[–] reddig33 42 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It’s like Nadella wants people to stop using windows.

[–] Peffse 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Microsoft is certainly doing an excellent job driving away Xbox users. What else do they have? Azure maybe?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

They are ruining sony's competition... I don't get it. Like should they compete?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

Linux mega supporter working from deep inside is now a super believable narrative.

[–] Telodzrum 12 points 2 days ago

It's like Microsoft doesn't care if the home user's personal computer runs Windows; because they don't care.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I am a Mac user at home. I use windows for work, like most of us. But I keep reading all these articles and thinking, “Boy, I sure hope my company’s IT Dept. is on top of this.”

[–] Entropywins 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Everyone in IT wants to be ahead of the curve but we wind up being reactionary because if it ain't broke don't fix it...but it will break if we don't do this...is it broken now...no but it will be...so it's not broken we are good to go.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wow. Obviously that’s a bonkers approach, but not at all unsurprising. A large part of my job is actually getting people off their ass to address stuff before the product breaks, and we lose revenue.

[–] ichbinjasokreativ 3 points 1 day ago

I'm on top of things when I have the time to be informed at work. I'm not doing all research after hours and might not always have time for it at work, so sometimes we too are rather reactionary.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is what we get for no longer being the paying customer (that and a quasi Monopoly).

[–] TheGrandNagus 7 points 1 day ago

You still are the paying customer for Windows. Windows costs money.

Microsoft are just double-dipping.

"If you're not paying, you're the product" doesn't make sense because FOSS exists, and in the proprietary world now, even if you pay you're still the product.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Microsoft being Microsoft...

[–] Treczoks 6 points 2 days ago

Just generally break people’s systems, add spyware, lie to users, treat them like shit.

Too many people bought that shit. Their own fault for getting ripped another one.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Aren't there alternative file explorers for Windows? Or did support for that kind of thing end with Windows 7?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I used to use OneCommander, it is a very nice alternative.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

There's Tablacus. Opus is supposed to be good too, but I haven't tried it.

[–] Seaguy05 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was under the impression you could still remove the feature without issue.

https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil/issues/2697#issuecomment-2403792309

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

That's covered in the article you're commenting on.

Another user on GitHub also pointed out that Microsoft's own DISM can be used to disable the Recall service without the File Explorer consequences, although Titus points out that this behaviour seems inconsistent, as in his testing, the File Explorer still changed its appearance after a restart. Inconsistency aside, it's unlikely that any non-technical Windows user will even know what DISM is, never mind how to use it, and this reliance on a command-line utility to remove a controversial feature is indicative of MIcrosoft's goals.

[–] useyourmainfinger 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I use mint on my laptop, steam runs great, but have to keep windows on the desktop because I need to run Ableton, lack of pro audio is the thing that's holding me from full Linux right now...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] useyourmainfinger 1 points 6 hours ago

Thanks I've been looking at that, only reservation is learning a new DAW...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Reaper works great on mint. Plus yabridge to use your windows plugins.

[–] useyourmainfinger 1 points 6 hours ago

Thanks I'll check those out..

[–] helmet91 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just because Microsoft makes Recall "unremovable", doesn't mean anything to me. We've seen debloater tools, alternate start menus, someone even ported explorer from Windows 7 to Windows 10/11.

I'm pretty sure there's gonna be a solution for this in no time.

That being said, just use a better OS ffs. I get it, some companies cannot easily switch from Windows because of tools specifically built for Windows, or due to strict policies or regulations or software support, but damnit, somewhere you have to draw a line and start a migration process to an alternative system. And maybe learn from this, and make your tools portable next time.

Having spyware on your system is certainly a big no-no at companies, and probably the aforementioned debloater/customization solutions as well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are you listening to yourself? Why are you even using this shite? You pay for being screwed over, bit don't worry everyone, we can unsabotage the crap we paid for!

Switch to Linux already, come to the dark side, we have cookies.

Ona more serious note: there are literally less reasons every day to stick to windows. Games? Most , ir not damn near all work fine or better on linux. Photoshop? Run it in a VM if you must, away from the rat of your work, but at least stop paying Microsoft money FFS. Yes, actively pirate windows if you must.

I'm so fucking tired of people writing how they spend so much time to restore their paid product to a barely functional level, then complain about Linux being too complicated.

My literal last experience installing both lonic and windows was 25 minutes for Linux (that includes downloading the iso and burning it on a USB) and 7 grueling hours spread out over 4 days with countless failed attempts to install windows, BIOS metssing, trying different ISO burner programs, with the final attempt taking well over an hour to complete, passing countless "BUY MORE, ALLOW US TO SPY, GIVE US MORE MONEY, YOU WILL USE THIS SERVICE!" screens. Then Linux just worked and windows still was fucking me over.

Why do people put up with this? Just use Linux, get it over with. So much less pain.

[–] helmet91 2 points 1 day ago

No need to tell me all this; I've been using Linux for more than 15 years and I don't freakin' care what's happening to Windows.

Now either you haven't read properly what I said, or my wording was not clear - apologies in the latter case. Either way, I'll try to explain what I meant.

  1. It's pointless for Microsoft to make Recall (or anything) unremovable, since someone will find a solution to it pretty quickly. So those who use Windows, most likely will still have the option to continue to use it without Recall, in my opinion.
  2. I also highly recommend everyone to just use a usable operating system instead.
  3. Telling the average user to use a better operating system is one thing. That's fairly doable nowadays, I don't see basically any obstacle to that, and I wouldn't even mention it, because you just tell them the facts, and the smarter ones will listen and think it through, the rest of them will do whatever they want, it's their problem. What I find very problematic, is industrial environments. There are tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands or millions of workstations, terminal computers, controllers in companies of varying sizes, where it's absolutely not cost efficient to switch from Windows to something else (well, at least not until they get into their first data breach attributed to Recall or other shady Microsoft services). They have highly specialized tools complete with documentation and support and everything made for the one specific platform they are operating on, and it's certainly not easy to change that, especially without halting production. If there's one IT advice I could give to those companies, it would be to start creating a strategic plan to drop their Microsoft dependencies, and then execute their plan. It would take probably years, but they gotta start doing it like ASAP. And along the way, while porting their toolchains, they could as well do it the smart way: make it highly portable, so whatever platform they switch to, wouldn't be the only option. Should that platform go south just like Windows did, they'd have the option to switch again to something else, just much easier this time.
  4. According to my experience, customization tools to remove bloat (including Recall) are not permissible in work environments, and spyware (such as Recall) are not (supposed to be) tolerated either. If this doesn't make them switch to a better platform, nothing will.