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World’s oldest known (representational) artwork in Indonesian cave dated using lasers (www.nature.com)

submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by zlatiah to c/science

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Laser-induced imaging of radioactive elements was used to work out the age of an ancient cave painting on the Indonesian island of Sulawesi. The results reveal that the narrative scene is 51,200 years old, making it the earliest known example of representational art. This study challenges previous dating methods and suggests a deeper origin for human image-making and storytelling.

TL;DR or if you don't have access to the article: the researchers invented a faster, less-destructive and more-accurate rock art dating method & applied it to humanity's oldest known rock art in Sulawesi, Indonesia. The art is at least 51,200 years old (authors' lower estimate)!

Edit: contrary to what the news title original stated: this is the oldest representational art, not the literal oldest human-created art.

The paper itself (open access): https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-024-07541-7

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Cool.

Title might be a bit clickbait though.

It’s oldest known representational art. Not oldest known art.

For example the carvings in the Blomos cave in South Africa are atleast 75’000 years old.

Edit: Thank you for editing the title! That’s pretty weird mistake by Nature I thought they had high standards. Well they have peer reviewed and approved some dodgy research in my field recently so maybe I should be more skeptical.

[–] asdfasdfasdf 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I love hearing stuff like this. 51, 000 years old is already insane. 75,000 years old is 24,000 years older than that. I can't even imagine 24,000 years older than today.

Why can't we get movies about this shit instead of another Marvel sequel? I want some scientifically accurate adventure about life in 73,000 BC.

[–] Cyclist 3 points 18 hours ago

Quest For Fire.

[–] acosmichippo 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Red ochre use has been happening for like 300k years, we just don’t have any examples of the art that survived.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Well the problem is we know very little. So a movie like that would be complete guesswork.

You might enjoy the youtube channel “Stephan Milo” though. His videos are well sourced and have a lot of expert interviews. And he focuses on this kind of stuff.

[–] gibmiser 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wouldn't it have been easier to just put on a label with the date?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

🌲👋 🪨/🌞/🌋🪵🐈/🐣

Less confusing date formats were invented much later, so this is all you get.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Well....shoot....guess I'll buy that for a dollar!

[–] ikidd 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Did the entire department author that paper?

[–] mineralfellow 3 points 1 day ago

Multiple techniques, multiple field sites, new, advanced method used... Not a surprising author list.

[–] zlatiah 2 points 1 day ago

This is a good point... I'm more used to biomedical papers where this author list would be considered typical or even short, but yeah the affiliations seem to state that there are four PIs on this paper which is wild... don't know what to make of it. If someone knows archaeology better plz inform