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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

This gives big "RFK Jr. will steal votes from Kamala"

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 28 points 1 day ago

Jill Stein has my vote! Seriously, she took it. Can someone help me get it back?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Note: Jill is literally paid to run as a spoiler, and if you look at her actual policies, lot of transphobia, ablism, and support for pseudoscience

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

This shouldn’t surprise anyone considering her source.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

guys it's not that hard, all we have to do is to not vote for still jein.

[–] beejboytyson 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

... there were people voting for stein?

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children)

I don't understand why it is taken for granted that if Stein wasn't a candidate the people who vote for her would be voting for the Democrats instead. Just as likely they would not vote at all or vote for some other protest candidate.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I saw some stats on this in another thread, most third party voters wouldn't be voting if their candidate wasn't on the ballot, and most third party voters benefit Democrats down ballot. The spoiler candidate logic has always been sketchy.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

jesus christ this thread is a fucking nightmare bro

i feel like i've done three pounds of ketamine just scrolling through these comments.

[–] [email protected] 128 points 2 days ago (25 children)

[email protected]

Any third party that's telling you to vote for them under FPTP, but isn't heavily promoting RCV to fix the system, isn't trying to win. They're trying to spoil the FPTP election.

RCV is already law in a surprisingly large number of places. It may change the majority in the house in this upcoming election, because the difference in vote-counting within the two states that use it for US congressional elections might be enough to change the razor-thin outcome.

RCV is on the ballot, in one form or another, in 7 states and DC this year. Go vote. You might be able to fix the system, and move toward the future that all the people in this thread who are being vocal about Jill Stein say that they want. Remember back when marijuana was illegal? That changed. This can change too, and it would be glorious, for a lot of important goals that a lot of people claiming to support Jill Stein claim they're supportive of. It would be practical and realistic. It would work.

Anyone in this thread who is saying Jill Stein is extremely important, but haven't been saying anything about ranked choice voting or changing the voting system to make third parties realistic: Why? What's your goal, why did you make that decision about your priorities?

The answer is obvious, of course. But it's fun to ask.

@[email protected], why?

I'll add more @s as more people pipe up. They always do.

Register and vote, for RCV as well as for Harris. We have 25 more days.

https://www.vote.org/

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Kamala Harris can win over all of those Jill Stein voters with a single sentence.

Stupid Jill Stein's entire campaign is based on the premise that Democrats would keep a genocide going for an entire year into election season.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Let’s completely forget everything but the election for this hypothetical. Do you think Harris coming out and saying “I will immediately stop supporting Israel” she will automatically win? Or do you think it’s more likely the Jewish community would condemn her words and move over to the rubber stamp in chief who would give Israel even more support with fewer conditions? (Ignoring the personal favors he asks for of course.)

Yall act like this is a simple black and white issue, when it’s obviously not. Even when you boil it down to “just” the election.

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[–] SquirtleHermit 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Republicans hate this one simple trick!

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