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...and a fact check of the statements made in the interview.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Canadaland seems to be going on a weird direction. All these stories of worker antagonism and so many journalists leaving in bad terms, most recently Ling and Pugliese left, Goldsbie on a sabbatical... meanwhile Jan Wong keeping the red scare alive, and then Brown amplifies all this bullshit.

It's a shame that the path to survival for indie media is most often to drift right and never stop going.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've also gotten the sense of a major schism between Jesse and the employees. I don't keep track of which employee has what views do in not really sure what you mean by Jan Wong's red scare.

I don't think Jesse was amplifying Israel's bullshit, I think he was pushing back against it.

I don't know if it's drifting right or not.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

pushing back against it.

Pushing back against 20% and letting the 80% just flow, that's not really pushing back. And for this interview, 20% is probably too generous... he asked the questions but answers flew by unprovoked. The fact that such an extensive fact check needed to be published after the fact means that he as interviewer was not prepared to push back or he chose not to.

The interview goes like:

  • JB) If you keep killing Palestinians, Jews in Canada will suffer, no?
  • IM) We have to continue the war because Palestinians are terrorists.

JB choses to push back on "yes but your military is saying that it will stain Judaism" instead of "that's genocidal, if you don't stop escalating the only end is genocide". No challenge to the war itself, just the minor points whether Israel is being "unproductive" and inviting antisemitism.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (3 children)

The very existence of that scathing fact check document should have ensured that this episode was never published.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I found it very illuminating as someone who doesn't follow the conflict that closely. Moed was there to push a narrative and Brown could've done better to counter some of the lies. Respect to Canadaland for attaching that fact check to the interview.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

Yeah, coverage of Israeli/Palestinian conflict is notoriously filled with half truths and misleading implications. I think having a fact check co-published is quite useful.

I don't know what that guy's problem is.

I think Jesse did a good job. I'm extremely skeptical of the ambassador's explanation of the invitation to collaborate.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Do you mean that the ambassador lied so much that his views shouldn't have been aired, or that the fact checking is unacceptably anti-Israel.

Or something else? I'm not sure how to interpret your statement.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The former.

Responsible journalism is more than simply showing up for an interview and broadcasting whatever lie the subject wants you to share for them. If he's not going to fact-check the ambassador immediately, then he's operating as a defacto mouthpiece for his subject. Attaching a fact-checking document, after the fact, in an entirely different medium that outlines just how much of the interview was obvious propaganda is not journalism.

The worst part is that Jesse has levelled this very criticism in the past against other journalists! Specifically in reference to how Trump is covered, but others as well. You can't just hand your mic, your platform over to a 3rd party and claim that you're doing journalism when you're really being complicit in the distribution of propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I agree it's strange and possibly inappropriate that the fact check was a text document, not a podcast.

But I really don't think he was acting as a mouthpiece the way you're accusing him. He repeatedly asked about the head of the Israeli military characterizing events as Jewish terrorism.

I think it's important to ask what responsibility Israel has for the safety of Jewish Canadians when hatecrimes rise as a result of Israeli military operations.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Actually, this is one of the things that drives me crazy about Jesse's take on this. Putting aside for the moment the base selfishness that would lead someone to ask: "how does your committing genocide affect me?", he's taking Israel's position from the start that their actions are directly tied to the lives of Jews around the world. There are millions of Jews out there who are (a) not Israeli citizens, (b) are not Zionists, and (c) even actively condemn its actions purportedly in their name, but Jesse always starts with the position that Jews == Israel.

It's Israel's favourite shield: to claim that their actions are linked to Jews everywhere. They use it to smear any opposition to their war crimes as antisemitism, and lines of questioning like this only reinforce this link. You just can't bemoan how Jews are being linked to war crimes while starting from the position that Israel is inherently linked to Jewish identity. What you get is a conversation where both parties agree that Israel is both inexorably linked to Jews everywhere but that they're also not responsible for their safety because they can't be -- they're not Israelis.

To put it another way, no one would do an interview with the Iranian ambassador and suggest that they're somehow responsible for Islamophobia in Canada. That would be absurd, but because it's in Israel's interest to claim representation of all Jews everywhere, you get this ridiculous session where both parties agree on a distorted version of reality. Since journalism is supposed to be about distributing factual information, beginning an interview on such a flawed position is both illogical and irresponsible.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Canadaland focuses on Canada, so Jesse tries to ask questions that are relevant to Canadians

journalism is supposed to be about distributing factual information

I have a friend in Canada that I know is trying to figure out if he should send his daughter to public school (eventually, she is still quite young) where she could face anti-Semitic treatment from peers/teachers, or Jewish day school where she could be murdered by extremists. (I think he was already more inclined towards public schools)

His concern is because of the increase in attacks on centers of Jewish community (eg schools & synagogues) in Canada. The increase in those attacks is because of Israel's disproportionate response to the Oct 7th attacks.

The question of Israel's accountability is probably quite relevant to him.