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It’s been six years since Steve Rodgers handed over Captain America reigns to Sam Wilson, Aka The Falcon, in “Avengers: Endgame.” Wilson (Anthony Mackie) will be the lead of Julius Onah’s “Captain America: Brave New World.” A trailer was released in the summer.

Two different cuts of the film test screened last week, and plot details for one of the cuts have leaked online. The person who attended didn’t seem to like the movie all that much.

Based on the folks I’ve spoken to, those who attended were either given a red or green bracelet and were split up into two different theaters. The reactions I’ve heard have not been very kind to this movie, which is being described as “inessential” and “flat.”

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Reshoots on ‘Brave New World’ happened in August. This could explain why two different cuts were shown. Last year, after receiving negative test scores in another screening, and Marvel themselves underwhelmed by an early cut they saw of the film, ‘Brave New World’ was delayed to February 2025. Extensive reshoots were called, with “three major action sequences” having been filmed, between May and August 2024 in Atlanta.

‘Brave New World’ had originally wrapped filming in June 2023, and was set for a July 2024 release date, but it’s now turned into this monstrous mess for Marvel. You just don’t push a movie this big out of your calendar, and then decide to dump it in February, unless major trouble is brewing.

Last December, Matthew Orton was hired by Marvel to pen “additional scenes and material”. Orton’s work was shot during this summer’s reshoots. They’ve also added new characters to the story. Will audiences even show up to a Captain America movie that doesn’t star Chris Evans?

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[–] TommySoda 66 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I mentally checked out of the MCU after Endgame. The only Marvel content I've seen beyond that is Guardians of the Galaxy 3.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

I liked Loki (esp the season 2 ending) but I can understand why others didn't. It's slow and attempting to be more cerebral than it really is. But IMO it's still far better than all the films. I watched the whole Antman quantumania movie and I honestly couldn't tell you what it was about.

[–] wjrii 29 points 5 days ago (8 children)

I watch pretty much all of it still. Eventually. Sometimes months later. I think Echo is the only one I haven't finished, but I saw several of them months late.

It's mostly fine, but that's about as far as I'd go. Among other issues, Multiverses dangle the specter of irrelevance in front of every story. I know it's not always there in the script, but the meta commentary that everyone is replaceable and any event can be undone unavoidably reduces the stakes and my investment in characters. If they bother to make a point of concluding the "multiverse" arc, it needs to be something that promises to make the storytelling ~~crutch~~ mechanic of crossing between them much harder to invoke in the future. It can be utter handwavium, but I need that promise from the Marvel Industrial Complex to me as an audience member.

Then more generally, the Marvel "house style" is either so overwhelming that it ends up the equivalent of pleasant but low-stakes episodic TV from the before-times with 23 episodes per season, or else it's shoehorned into a halfhearted attempt to let a director or showrunner do their thing and reduces the effectiveness of both. There was good TV then, and there is good Marvel now, but the specialness has worn off.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

I was wondering how they were going to pull off multiverse shenanigans in a movie series and it turns out they just weren't!

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[–] InverseParallax 6 points 4 days ago

You're missing surprisingly little.

IW + Endgame were such a high note to end on, they basically killed the series because everything else dies in comparison.

Gotg was fun, and well executed, but otherwise there's basically been nothing, except Loki which was excellent, but then Deadpool and wolverine tried and fell over themselves in my book.

[–] HomerianSymphony 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

If the movie doesn’t end with him assembling a new team of Avengers out of Marvel’s most popular characters (including a mysteriously resurrected Wanda — no explanation needed yet) to help him defeat the bad guy, they’re wasting their time.

And all the new Avengers need to say that they’re only joining the team because of their person respect for Sam Wilson. That makes Sam important, and leans into his greatest strength, which is being a nice guy.

[–] III 7 points 3 days ago

That's a great point. Cap was important because he meant something to everyone, given his WW2 hero status. Sam is just a guy, nothing that makes him fill that role in any newer group. If they want to maintain the importance of the character in the film world, they need to fix that.

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[–] Nuke_the_whales 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Inessential is a good word for it. It's a marvel story nobody was begging for

[–] abigscaryhobo 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not only that, but the superhero bit is getting played out. Comics can have some real depth (and some real dumb stuff) but I feel like they haven't done much besides the usual "not hero, gets powers, struggles with bad guy, understands powers, beats bad guy, happy ending, sequel teaser".

They need to mix it up. Gimme a superhero crime drama, a romance novel, a true comedy not just quips, etc. They have a whole universe and years of content to draw from and they keep telling the same story over and over.

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[–] Illuminostro 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oversaturation. Audiences are exhausted of Marvel. Take a 4 or 5 years off, Feige, make sure you have some kick ass ideas and scripts before you come back. This ain't rocket science.

[–] III 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Given how few things Marvel has released this year, this isn't exhaustion. I get the concept and Marvel was definitely guilty of it before. But it could just be that people don't like the story. I feel Falcon and The Winter Soldier was comparably disliked. Maybe people just aren't as behind this character as they were behind Evans' Captain America

[–] Illuminostro 7 points 3 days ago

Have to disagree on that one. Yeah, Falcon has always been a C list character, but he's been one of the prominent ones in the last several movies. I'm having trouble myself seeing how he can fill Cap's shoes with no serum, but maybe he gets it in this one.

But what do I know, I thought Snyder's Justice League franchise was total dogshit, and lots of people (cough, teenage boys, cough) thought it was awesome. And no, Whedon didn't ruin it, it was garbage to start with.

[–] chiliedogg 2 points 3 days ago

The Eternals was the first Marvel film that I just completely didn't care for, and then they followed it up with a weak Doctor Strange, a weak Black Panther, a weak Ant Man, a weak Thor, and a bunch of other bad movies. Guardians 3, Spider-Man 3 (even though it was Sony), and Deadpool were all pretty good, and I thought WandaVision and Loki were great. Other than that it's been pretty bad.

I was hoping this little break they've had broken by Deadpool would breathe new life into the franchise, but it looks like that isn't going to be the case.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 days ago (6 children)

After meeting with newly elected U.S. President Thaddeus Ross, played by Harrison Ford in his Marvel Cinematic Universe debut, Sam finds himself in the middle of an international incident. He must discover the reason behind a nefarious global plot before the true mastermind has the entire world seeing red.

I could not be less interested.

[–] wjrii 31 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Harrison Ford, or at least his cumulative body of work, is a goddamned national treasure, but the man is 82. Stop throwing money at him and encouraging him to leave Wyoming to do boring things. Besides, he might try to fly himself, and we as a country don't need that kind of stress.

Anyway, it's so unrealistic. Why would America ever elect an octogenarian president?!?!?!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago

Yeah and one who is secretly a traitor plotting for global instability. Man, these writers need a reality check.

[–] AngryCommieKender 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Harrison Ford claimed that he lives down the street from Conan O'Brien, on Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend. That and the Jon Stewart episodes are hilarious.

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[–] MimicJar 12 points 4 days ago

What would make you interested?

Or specifically which part do you find uninteresting?

T'Challa, heir to the hidden but advanced kingdom of Wakanda, must step forward to lead his people into a new future and must confront a challenger from his country's past.

That's the plot line of Black Panther.

Political involvement in the Avengers' affairs causes a rift between Captain America and Iron Man.

That's Captain America: Civil War.

What are you expecting to read?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago

Maybe I'd watch if terrorists hijacked Air Force One and Harrison Ford yelled GET OFF MY PLANE

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh boy, a secret global plot... the entire world in danger... Sounds so refreshing...
The Falcon is an alright character, but he's too much of an asshole to take him seriously as Capt America.

[–] InverseParallax 3 points 4 days ago

Yeah, Mackie has was too much baggage, and he kind of sucks at anything except serious dramatic acting.

He singlehandedly ruined altered carbon, that took effort.

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[–] MimicJar 13 points 4 days ago

That's not great news.

Also for a film coming out in February, there isn't much more than can do. Maybe ADR a few lines.

I also wonder if they'll introduce a little more in the later trailers to prime folks for some of the, what I assume were going to be, surprises.

Of course maybe the other cut is better, and we don't have any news on that.

[–] YarHarSuperstar 15 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Anthony Mackie sucked so bad in Altered Carbon S2 that I don't think I'll ever enjoy anything he's in again.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

You're mistaken. There is no Season 2 of Altered Carbon.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I don't really blame him for that... I blame the book being better, and everyone on set clearly knowing it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Also that he was basically given the job of doing an impression of another actor doing a character rather than being able to do something unique. Joel Kinnaman has an intensity that seems like it would be very hard to imitate.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

I was so excited by Altered Carbon S2. Now I'm sad again.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Has there ever been a time when a test screening was wrong?

Then again, why would any company admit to it? Who knows, maybe the test screening of Joker 2 was to wild applause.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Test screenings gave us the shitty ending to I am legend

[–] Illuminostro 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Producers gave us the shit CGI in that movie, and in the requel of The Thing.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

While it is hard to get "official" information about it, there definitely have been news reports that some of the most successful movies ever had some bad test screenings and vice versa.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I can't put my finger on the specific film, but there are those where the happy ending seems especially contrived, and the director's commentary lamented that's because anything less than a happy ending tended to test poorly with viewers. It might have something to do with the fact that they tested them tight after they watch the film rather than letting it sink in for a bit.

Test screenings are the J.D. Power Initial Quality Award of the film industry.

[–] PapaStevesy 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The Average Joes were supposed to lose to Globo Gym, but I don't know that I'd call a line infraction leading to a blindfolded sudden death throw-off contrived...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

I don't think Joker 2 had a test screening

[–] reddig33 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So straight to streaming then?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'd completely forgotten about that TV show. I watched all of it, so that's rather telling.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

We could barely even remember the name of it.

The wife insisted on calling it Wingman and Handjob.

I just couldn't get on board with the idea of a guy with a billion dollar set of equipment struggling to get pennies together to save the family boat business... Weren't you billionaire Tony's best mate? You seriously telling me he left you nothing?

[–] Uruanna 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Weren't you billionaire Tony's best mate?

That's the other Black guy.

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[–] Feathercrown 1 points 3 days ago

Noooo I had high hopes

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