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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] PushButton 3 points 16 hours ago

See the guy in orange on the left?

Now, what are those toddlers dressed in fluo doing next to him?

[–] Maggoty 26 points 1 day ago

Don't worry, we have a fix for this.

We banned them from the streets.

[–] Dearth 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If every church in America housed 2.5 unhoused people the crisis would be solved overnight.

Who am i kidding though, American churches don't exist to help people they exist to ~~tax~~ tithe people

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

When I feed the poor, I'm called a Saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, I'm called a communist.

The quote is by a priest from South America. I think about that alot when I think about church.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago

No, see, feeding the poor is illegal.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Only monarchists think communist is an insult.

[–] BowtiesAreCool 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To be fair, a lot of small community churches or other religious shelters seem to do a lot more than anyone else about the problem.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Debatable.

I work for a church. We do a LOT for the community. Free lunches under the bridge. Park clean ups every season. After school programs for kids.

But in no way are we even close to doing as much good as actual organized programs that have real leadership and get funding.

[–] Pilferjinx 2 points 1 day ago

Churches are a social hate group. I love faith, especially when you have to do the spiritual work yourself, but organized faith corrupts the mind and soul.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's pretty cool how the richest nation in the history of the world can't take care of people. /s

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Not can't--won't.

[–] DarkCloud 57 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can go right next to the trophy for highest incarceration rates.

[–] Diplomjodler3 25 points 2 days ago

USA! USA! USA!

[–] NatakuNox 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Definitely a gross under count of the amount of homeless people. I'd imagine due to the government only counting occupied beds in shelters, the homeless they can physically count on one day, and not the number of incarcerated homeless. The amount is three times higher!

[–] Warl0k3 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That's not really how it works, the census bureau is extremely thorough - they send people into encampments regularly, work with homeless charities of all kinds, etc. These counts are estimates unless it's a federal census year (when they absolutely do count every individual person that they possibly can), but they're not going to be wildly inaccurate.

The much bigger issue is that these numbers appear to be limited to city limits or greater city area, and that's where the discrepancy is gonna show up. Most homeless people dont live in cities, and camps are often established on conveniently unincorporated land so they dont have to be counted. Bureaucratic bastardry at its finest.

[–] NatakuNox 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Warl0k3 1 points 1 day ago

Not sure what your point is?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Surprising; I thought they had an effective for-profit prison-industrial complex
/s

[–] Maggoty 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Don't worry the states are working on that as fast as they can. They're making it a civil fine to "camp" in the wrong spot. Then you also get relocated to a shelter that has a limit on what you can bring in, including a ban on animals. If you resist at any point you end up in prison. So you have to just take losing your only companion and half of your belongings in stride. Also though, if you go to prison you lose all of your stuff. So they release you thirty days later (in the blue states) and your penniless, your dog has hopefully been adopted by someone else, and you have no clothes to survive extreme weather or any other property you need to function. So you can either die in the middle of the night to cold weather or take up that drug dealer on his offer of employment. Which ends up with a larger prison sentence down the road.

The fact that people don't see this cycle is infuriating to me. All they see is a sidewalk that doesn't have tents anymore and they cheer. They don't care that they've permanently destroyed the lives of everyone who lived there.

[–] pbbananaman -1 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

There’s plenty of shelter space but you can’t do drugs there so people don’t go. But hey I guess you can use as much as you want in prison!

[–] DempstersBox 1 points 15 hours ago

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I've been homeless, and staying the fuck away from the shelters is how you stay safe.

I spent one night in one once, and promptly went back to looking for hidden little spots where no one would be able to see me.

Unless you are the crustiest of old homebums, shelters are where your shit gets stolen and you get stabbed if you make a fuss. Or raped.

[–] Maggoty 1 points 16 hours ago

No there isn't actually. The recent SCOTUS case was literally repealing a past ruling that you couldn't do what I described above, until there was enough shelter space for all the homeless in your city/county/state.

So that's why enforcement suddenly got juiced. They no longer need a bed available to fuck your shit up.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Easy fix, barely an inconvenience: make it illegal

[–] jaybone 14 points 2 days ago

I think they just did that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

WHOOOO! USA #1!!!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

It'll get worse, so don't go making any bets or anything. I know being an optimist is cool and all, but seriously.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

WE'RE NUMBER ONE! LETS GOOO!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

U S A!!! U S A!!! U S A!!!

[–] jaybone 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

$650k and still homeless. Housing market is out of control.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Housing should he a necessity of life. Corporations shouldn’t be allowed to own homes. Limit individuals to 5.

If corporations want to own “homes” then they can build an apartment complex.

[–] Surp 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Id say even max two houses. No one needs more than one anyways. The second can be for the rich assholes that need vacation homes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That or limit it to being outside a certain radius, so you can have your house in the city and a second property out in the woods for the weekend as long as it's, for example, 50 miles away or more and then if you want a third property it needs to be at least 50 miles away from the other two and so on. Make it impractical enough that second properties are only cottages, not rental units in the same city.

[–] General_Effort -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can't tell if you're joking.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Why do you think I'm joking? People should be allowed to own something out of town for the weekend if they want but they'll think about it twice if they can't own both a rental unit and their main house in the same city, in the end it will force them to live in their rental unit along with the people renting from them, forcing them to actually care for their property.

They won't want to own a shit load of properties either because maintaining then will be too impractical as none of them are close to one another.

[–] General_Effort 2 points 1 day ago

It sounded kinda like: Let's make people sell the properties they rent out so that wealthy people can buy vacation homes.

The idea is guaranteed to make homelessness worse, so it seems natural that someone might mock it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or control the type of ownership based on the number of doors. 1 to 4 doors > private ownership. 5 to 8 doors > corporation or cooperatives. 9 doors or more > cooperatives/non profit/State corporation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

The corporate bots downvoted you

[–] jaybone 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Which they are already doing everywhere in my area. I’d say we should also limit their ownership of apartment complexes. Though that’s a tougher problem to solve.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What area…if you don’t mind getting bing up some of that sweet sweet privacy

[–] jaybone 2 points 1 day ago

SF Bay Area, East bay. Everything is apartments. Seems like all new developments are apartments, not houses. And obviously those will be owned by corporations.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

650k people are homeless. Has nothing to do w housing market or salary.

“Data collected and reviewed by The Wall Street Journal from more than 250 homeless organizations have counted at least 550,000 homeless people so far, a 10 percent rise from last year’s reports. The numbers gathered from cities and rural areas show homelessness as it was on a single night earlier this year.

The upward trend means that the US will probably reach and pass the 2023 estimate of 653,000 homeless people. It’s the highest number since the government began sharing such data in 2007.”

[–] Voytrekk 5 points 1 day ago

I was confused by the title at first too. It should probably be "US is on track to set a new record for homelessness with over 650K people living on the streets".

[–] psycho_driver 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In San Diego sure but what about the rest of the country?

[–] Maggoty 2 points 1 day ago

Ouch. Just ouch.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So like 1 in ~~50~~ 500 pll is homeless? That's crazy. Ther is not even a significant crisis or war directly affecting the US.

~~Edit: I can't read~~

Edit II : OK, reading was fine (on the first go) I just did my math with 1million = 100* thousand ... I am tired and have a cold, please excuse my many fumbles in this comment xD.

[–] Throw_away_migrator 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think you're off by a factor of 10. 650k out of 330 million is about 1 in 500. It's still way too many people, don't get me wrong, just wanted to clarify.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Thanks, yeah I'm not so fovused atm. But defenetly still too many homless folk.