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I can't express how much I love hetzner doing this. There is a huge market for people who just need some instances and reliable/cheap object storage to run their apps.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

So I was looking at the way they're doing pricing, and is it just me or did they go for the most complicated way possible to define usage?

I've been mostly using "discount" S3 providers for stuff/Cloudflare, but they look to have gone for the needs-a-maths-degree route which seems somewhat at odd with their usual billing practices.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's really not that complicated. At a high level:

  • $5/mo for having the service turned on
  • $5/mo for every TB storage above and beyond the first 1TB
  • $1 for every TB of data transfer beyond the first 1TB in a month

And then divide those numbers because it's actually billed by the hour

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

That makes a lot of sense, and I'm going to blame me coming off a flu and seeing a wall of math and my brain going 'uh what'.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

I've been using hetzner for more than 10 years now. Fun facts:

  • They have an API to create infrastructure
  • They have a terraform provider which can provide infra on hetzner.
  • This storage addition is a very logical one, after loadbalancers, floating IP's and so on. Very curious to know what will be next!

They have a long term vision and are very cost effective, while having good support.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 minutes ago

Didn't know about that actually. Very cool.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

Pricing seems to be a lot cheaper than from "the big three" (Amazon, Google, Microsoft), but similar to competitors like Backblaze or Wasabi.

Most of their other services are super attractive in terms of price (and also quality in my experience), this seems more like an "hey we have S3 too".

[–] solrize 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

5 euro/m for storage and 1 euro/TB for traffic, it appears. Fairly unattractive if that traffic change includes internal traffic. Their Storage Box and Storage Share products are much cheaper. And of course you can self-host S3 if you need lots of it.

What is the attraction of this product on a budget host like Hetzner? Is it a sign they are moving more upscale?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 35 minutes ago (1 children)

Presumably s3 will be highly available. Storage box is just a share on some server and has quite a lot of downtime. Okay for backups but not for your main data. We'll see if their s3 is indeed better, but it should be, given that price difference.

[–] solrize 1 points 10 minutes ago

The storage cost of their S3 doesn't bother me that much. It's the bandwidth cost that makes me cringe.

Storage Cloud is backed up nightly, though as you say it has occasional downtime. I have Storage Box which is not backed up, but it's on raid 6, and so far I haven't heard of data losses with it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

How cheap it is? I am confused on the pricing. I use Backblaze and iDrive already.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I also didn't want to spend energy decoding the price model.... I think it's going to be cheaper than s3 though. Hetzner doesn't charge for bandwidth for example.

[–] solrize 1 points 40 minutes ago (1 children)

They charge 1 euro/TB for bandwidth with this product. That really makes it near useless for various obvious applications. All their other server products have unlimited free bandwidth within the Hetzner network. For some reason, S3 providers like to charge for internal traffic and that means Hetzner's other storage products look a lot better than S3.

There will also be an interesting incentive conflict if Nextcloud adds an S3 module sometime.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 minutes ago

Hmm that's not great. I really expected bandwidth to be free. But I understand hetzner wants to profit too, and I rather give it to them than to Amazon.

[–] SMillerNL 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, that’s neat. I just started moving things to Cloudflare, I’m curious how this compares in pricing mostly

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Cloudfare s3 is expensive. Why did you decides going with them?

[–] SMillerNL 2 points 1 hour ago

Inertia/convenience mostly. I needed a little bit of storage and already had ddos protection through them.