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Are there actually Amish people in India?
I can't tell if this is real or not.
Many people refer to the people who were living in North America before Europeans as “Indians” and there’s even a good portion of those people that use it to self identify as well, even if “Native American” is more widely used, if not also somewhat an inaccurate if you’re getting technical.
Absolutely fair enough, I'm just a somewhat ignorant Welsh man!
They have only ever been described here as American/Native American.
Though now that you mention this, Cowboys & Indians suddenly makes a lot more sense to me.
This is local politics in action. In a federation this is protected. In a federation this could also be forced on all federated states or banned. In a federal system it is also allowed that damaging actions are outlawed or embraced and cherished by the state. It is all imperfect but the entire idea is the hope that all the various levels of legal authority check and balance themselves for the benefit of the people and are accountable to wrote law.
I am just writing this for people to maybe remember that this is how a federation (see: The United States of America) is fundamentally supposed to function.
That's not weird, that's how things should be. Working together.
agreed. technically, both are native.
Well no, the Amish were settlers too. They're just working with the Indians instead of in spite of the Indians.
they were all born there. we need to stop considering ancestors and consider the living.
We can stop when we actually give them the same opportunities and protections white people get. You don't get to oppress a population for 500 years and then just act like nothing happened.
That actually sounds awesome
I want to see a picture. In mind, it looks pretty dope.
The true American dream
That's not weird. That's how functional societies reconcile when they aren't subjected to endless propaganda and fear mongering.
i came to say this. being friends is healthy and normal.
I'm just so fuckin burnt out on xenophobia and i feel like that shit got pushed on me a lot growing up.
Making friends? In this economy!?/s
With these social bubbles?!
No what’s ‘weird’ is so many not understanding that ‘weird’ isn’t automatically negative. or maybe more disturbing that so many automatically go there at first instinct.
I mean, it is weird in the sense that it is unusual. But that doesn't make it bad, in fact it should become more normal.
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What's weird is saying "native" and "indian" interchangeably in 2024.
My understanding is they call themselves Indians and it's only dipshitty non-indians tripping over themselves to be publicly offended on others' behalf who say it's bad.
I don't know for certain but that certainly seems to be the consensus.
There's actually a diverse opinion even within the indigenous community, Indian can be a uniting identifier, but it can also be representative of everything wrong with colonism.
While I'm not American, my understanding from my grandfather who was warded to a government school in Canada (though it's never been clear if he is first nations, he was documented as such but his cultural experience once he joined the army and moved countries to has been white, and I am white, so I can not truly speak to any of this), whether an individual or a tribal group are more comfortable with the label Indian or Native American, or indigenous, or first nations, tends to depend on the relationship between the person/group and reservations and government programs that historically used the terminology of Indian.
My grandfather for example would use First Nation's/Indigenous (though he used to say that he was "treated like first nations" rather than he "is" first nations, because even he had no idea if he actually was or not), he couldn't bring himself to say "Indian" because that's what he was labelled as while subjected to the abuse of the educational system at the time, it's a traumatic term for him. Meanwhile some of the men he knew from that time united under the label "Indian" to claim it back from those that used it to oppress them, it's a point of pride for them.
Someone has never been to a reservation and it shows.
My native american father in law prefers to call himself an Indian.
From his point of view he wouldn't call himself a "native american" because he belongs to an actual nation and indigenous people aren't a homogenous group.
He prefers Indian because it makes white people look bad. Incredibly based
I know right? Especially Latvians and the Swedish.
Me, Native American (heh): Indigenous to where? lmfao
Indigenous [Continent/general area here] would be the closest all-round. Indigenous North American just too many syllables though. Trying to fucking get away from the fucking whirlwind of every 10 years Anishinaabe, Algonquin, Ojibwe, Chippewa, Native American, Indian, Injun shit please. The fewer syllables the better, and nothing people already have please. And no stupid fucking people first word semantics dumb shit when you're literally using the same words but it's better in THIS order not the other...
I swear people just pick the worst words to describe people sometimes when going down the slippery slope for PC language. It's all so arbitrary lol.
People first language literally creates more in-groups and out-groups who have to jump literal semantic hoops, usually just to make the in group feel a little better labeling someone because people turn a blind eye to racists.
I have rarely, and I mean very, very rarely seen new language originate from minority or out-groups being used by their own people first then co-opted by the in-group. There's some random language here and there, but anything race/ethnicity related, it's almost always the in-group getting too racist to call people by what they used for the out-group before, and they have to start calling them something else or fear being branded a racist... Rather than, you know, ostracizing people for being fucking racist.
Maybe I'm just too mixed or too ND to care, but for the same reason why if you get the pronunciation of my name close enough and know you're referring to me.
TBH, I wish Injun made a comebock.
I like Namen/Nnamen. (Native North American, human, man, woman, his noodly appendage) too. No, I don't care if you say Nay-men or Nah-men.
You're wrong if you pronounce GIF as JIF though.
You're wrong if you pronounce GIF as JIF though.
Everything was fine until you said that. Now we're mortal enemies.
I COULD care less... hue
A sentiment I've heard a bunch is "oh, so you called us Indians and now you're uncomfortable with that label? Well fuck you, you don't get to keep unilaterally changing what's acceptable. If thinking about colonialism makes you uncomfortable, then great! Start sitting with that discomfort and recognising the crumb of self determination that we express by identifying as Indians. You gave us that label, and it's ours now."
So the people trying to make the term more accurate are the same ones that started calling then Indian in the first place? In other words, all white people are the same? That's one hell of an advanced Reverse UNO
He prefers Indian because it makes white people look bad.
I know nothing else about him, but I like him already.
It’s still technically called Indian Country and there are a variety of Indian services type organizations in the government.
Indian isn't offensive to native Americans in general
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Migration leading to mixed cultures instead of genocide and colonization. Americans: "This is so weird!"
“In this here melting pot, we burn away all our differences until we’re left with only the pure white flame of Christian nationalism.”
I had to put the statement in quotes because while being hyperbole, it’s not too far from how some people think, and I don’t want to be confused with those folks.
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