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Bids opened Monday for a contract to supply the state Department of Education with 55,000 Bibles. According to the bid documents, vendors must meet certain specifications: Bibles must be the King James Version; must contain the Old and New Testaments; must include copies of the Pledge of Allegiance, Declaration of Independence, U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights; and must be bound in leather or leather-like material.

A salesperson at Mardel Christian & Education searched, and though they carry 2,900 Bibles, none fit the parameters.

But one Bible fits perfectly: Lee Greenwood’s God Bless the U.S.A. Bible, endorsed by former President Donald Trump and commonly referred to as the Trump Bible. They cost $60 each online, with Trump receiving fees for his endorsement.

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[–] LordCrom 8 points 1 hour ago

Isn't it ironic that bibles sold to this agency have the documents stating there is separation of church and state included in the book?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

OH WOW! That's such a weird coincidence! Imagine the odds of that! /s

Of course they did. The thing is the way the law is written violates the Constitution by promoting an ideologically-loaded, outdated translation of the Bible used by more socially extreme groups.

  • NRSV(UE) is the gold standard nowadays.
  • Leather cover? Why? What's the point?
  • The Founding Documents to the United States do not belong in a Bible. Not everything has to be tarnished with crass "Patriotic" grift.
  • Just the Bill of Rights? The Amendments to the Constitution are legally part of the Constitution. What are they not included? Is there something in those Amendments they don't feel is appropriate?
  • This Bible has consistent poor reviews on Youtube. A number of Bible collectors, theologians, pastors, etc have panned this book for being cheaply and poorly made. It has poor print quality, it's pages stick together, are thin, and rip easy.

It should be obvious to anyone this is an ideological grift and it is criminal graft too. These criminals need to be thrown in prison for this.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

you mean to tell me the requirement isn't "be a bible" ???

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Did a con artist promote it for money? If so-✅

[–] NikkiDimes 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Wait, I thought these guys were against indoctrinating children or whatever?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

They're against anyone else indoctrinating children.

[–] dgmib 20 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Who tf wrote those requirements?

It seems pretty clear to me that they intended the Trump Bible to be the only one that fit all the specifications.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

While it's obviously weird to want the bill of rights and declaration of independence in your Bible; let me just say, if your goal is to convert kids to Christianity, the KJV bible is just completely opaque to children that don't normally read 17th century literature.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

At the rate these political hacks are going, students won't be able to parse modern text.

[–] MehBlah 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty clear they wrote the requirement to fit some recently hacked up version as opposed to the one hacked up by king james.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The article states they hacked it up 2900 times at least before this one. 30k different Christian sects in the U.S. last I knew

[–] MehBlah 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I'm sure its more than that. The really perverse thing about that is all the people that are super sure their particular flavor is right and everyone else is wrong. Its the old thing about what is a cult and what is a religion? A cult is a small unpopular religion and a religion is a large popular cult.

[–] Maggoty 30 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

For fuck's sake in ten years we're going to hear kids tell us the Constitution was given to us by Jesus.

[–] Sightline 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

There will be no Constitution

[–] Maggoty 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Oh no. It's an important point of legitimacy to have one. It won't be worth a damn though.

[–] Professorozone 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Wasn't it George W. Bush that said, "... it's just a god damn piece of paper?"

[–] Maggoty 1 points 1 hour ago

I'm sure he wasn't the first. (Yeah I'm looking at you Andrew Jackson, we haven't forgotten.)

[–] AA5B 26 points 9 hours ago

Yep, that’s when you start with the answer you want, then set “general” requirements that only it can meet

[–] fsr1967 50 points 13 hours ago (6 children)

Why are they putting bibles in classrooms in the first place? Did they repeal the First Amendment?

[–] Maggoty 14 points 7 hours ago

The first amendment doesn't apply to Christian evangelism.

According to SCOTUS at any rate.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Apparently, the State Superintendent gets to decide what gets taught in classrooms, and how it gets taught is left up to individual school districts. But it's fully within his right because no "commentary" is allowed around the Bible, just how important it was to America's history.

Why that requires a physical copy that's leather bound, I have no idea. Nor why the money has to come from the fucking payroll budget.

Oklahoma is ranked 49th in education, yet this is what we're spending money on? Seriously?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

I'm certain they take 49th with equal amounts salt and pride, as that means theres still a few states left to beat.

[–] Ultraviolet 2 points 4 hours ago

They're really gunning for 50th.

[–] Crashumbc 4 points 9 hours ago

But they are top five in propaganda training!

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[–] seth 28 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

Is there a term for a society that has all the wealth, technology, industrial knowledge, and manpower readily at hand to be a utopia and despite that, leans hard into dystopia?

[–] DrunkEngineer 1 points 1 hour ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Leech.

Thats the word for a country that turns worldwide suffering into cash.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago

Civilization

[–] [email protected] 51 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Bible [...] must include copies of the Pledge of Allegiance, Declaration of Independence, U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights

I'm sorry? Why would people mixed (modern) political text to their religious ones? Aren't people buying bibles suppose to care about their religion?

[–] Dearth 11 points 8 hours ago

By making those requirements they are making sure money is diverted from teacher's paychecks an into Trump's pockers

[–] [email protected] 33 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

The goal is to abolish separation between church and state bit by bit.

[–] edgesmash 13 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty sure the goal here is to funnel more money to Trump.

[–] Crashumbc 4 points 4 hours ago

Why not both?

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[–] fox2263 21 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

They catered the criteria so only a single company fit the bill

[–] JeeBaiChow 34 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sure jeebus had a thing or two to say about marketplaces of thieves and swindlers.

[–] ArtVandelay 18 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (3 children)

"It is written, 'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a den of robbers." -Matthew 21:13

To be clear, I don't believe in fairy tales, but they clearly don't either.

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[–] Sam_Bass 37 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

if that doesnt convince you that religion is made up on the spot for conniving convenience, nothing will

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago

Religion is the multi-tool, always there to back you up no matter what.

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