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Nintendo has been actively taking down YouTube videos that feature its games being emulated or modded, which has sparked significant discussion and concern within the gaming community.

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[–] obinice 31 points 3 days ago

So you're saying I should never buy anything from Nintendo?

Cool cool cool, cool, cool.

[–] [email protected] 286 points 4 days ago (6 children)

"So, those guys generate positive advertisement for our games. How do we stop it, and make sure that public opinion shifts to «Nintendo is cringe and you're a loser if you play this shit»?"

Also, what the fuck is with Japanese law, criminalising modding?

[–] capt_wolf 82 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Also, what the fuck is with Japanese law, criminalising modding?

My best guess would be that they're trying to get ahead of the recompiler scene before it catches a bigger foothold. But also, that lumps in the entire rom hacking and fan translation community, which I'm sure they view as perpetuating the piracy of their games.

[–] woelkchen 66 points 4 days ago (1 children)

My best guess would be that they’re trying to get ahead of the recompiler scene before it catches a bigger foothold.

If AI-generating images from copyrighted training material is legal, then generating source code from copyrighted binary code is as well.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Typical Japanese bullshittery. I watch sumo, and even when there was no official way to watch outside Japan the sumo association would get youtube accounts showing matches taken down. Tons of industries are still run by technological dinosaurs.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Japan was already living in the 2000's back in the 80's. The problem is that 40 years later, they're still living and thinking in the exact same way.

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[–] johannesvanderwhales 41 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I mean, if the decision were made today, I guarantee our current supreme court in the US would not have given us fair use.

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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe 34 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if this backfires a bit. The reason most publishers/IP holders don't go after videos on youtube and twitch is because it's basically free advertisement for your game.

If this behavior leads to people holding back on making nintendo based content, it could fuck them over in the long run. If you were a streamer or youtuber, would you feel particularly comfortable making videos and streaming nintendo games?

I know I wouldn't. There is no guarantee that nintendo actually puts effort into determining whether you are using an emulator or not. And even for the people who do use emulators, they may not be looking to continue making nintendo content.

[–] tacosplease 16 points 3 days ago

Nintendo is going after a lot of their biggest fans. It's so obviously stupid, but they just keep doing it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago

They've been doing this for a long time, and it definitely has a depressive effect. Even a big gaming youtubers like Videogamedunkey has commented on how every single time he does a video about a Nintendo game it gets demonetized, and while he can afford to take the financial hit every now and then there are plenty of mid-tier creators who can't.

[–] [email protected] 158 points 4 days ago (15 children)

Stop buying Nintendo products

[–] Psythik 43 points 4 days ago (5 children)

The Switch was my last console purchase; I'm never buying another console from anyone ever again. I haven't touched it in years cause every time I new game comes out that I want to play, I just pirate it instead. Why bother playing new releases on an underpowered, outdated handheld that struggles to render in 1080p, when I can play them in 4K on my PC at 60-120 FPS instead? Seriously, fuck Nintendo. Between their crappy hardware and crusade against gamers, I have zero reason to give them another cent of my hard-earned cash.

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[–] Hudomi 115 points 4 days ago (6 children)

With all these news recently, you could think Nintendo wants to be hated. It's truly shameful how the company has fallen since Iwata is gone.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 4 days ago

Recently?! Nintendo famously hates their fans for years now.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago

Nintendo has gone after youtubers and content creators for 15+ years. They are infamous for it.

[–] samus12345 39 points 4 days ago (4 children)

On the plus side, it makes me feel extra good when I load their games onto my hacked Switch! Echoes of Wisdom was fun, but felt really short. I would have felt cheated if I'd spent $60 on it.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago

to be honest, 80% of their customers probably don't even know what an emulator is and don't follow news about nintendo

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

Be defiant. Emulate more games

[–] [email protected] 71 points 4 days ago (6 children)

They've been on some kind of emulation crusade then, because it looks like they just killed Ryujinx:

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[–] GeneralInterest 23 points 3 days ago (3 children)

If someone has bought a Switch game legally, then it's legal to dump that game to a PC and play it on a Switch emulator, right?

Sure you could say that very few people dump their own games, but those that do are doing everything legally I think?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

it's legal to dump that game to a PC and play it on a Switch emulator, right?

Depends on where you live. Copyright law varies significantly from country to country.

In the USA, section 117 of the copyright act lets you create a copy for archival/backup purposes only. What I'm unsure about (and don't know if there's any relevant caselaw) is whether bypassing copy protection to create the copy violates the DMCA.

The equivalent Australian copyright law explicitly states that you can use the backup copy instead of the original one. The US law doesn't (all it says is that you can make an archival copy, not how you can use the archival copy), so it's a grey area.

Both laws are for "computer software", but you could easily argue that a video game is computer software.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

Nah. From Nintendo's position, you don't "own" the game. They do. All you bought is a license to play the game on a Nintendo approved console. By ripping the game from the switch dump, you are violating the license you bought by copying their software without permission.

From a practical perspective, fuckem. Your paid money to play the game and if you decide to play it on something else you own, go nuts.

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[–] yamanii 54 points 4 days ago (7 children)

They just killed Ryujinx too, proving it wasn't the fact that Yuzu was making money.

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[–] Dr_Box 104 points 4 days ago (51 children)

It just keeps getting worse. I'm done with Nintendo

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Recent laws in Japan have criminalized console and game modding, as well as save file editing

What the flying fuck, Japan?

[–] wavebeam 40 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Yeah all of these are ridiculous but save file editing? lol. That’s insane.

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[–] gmtom 24 points 4 days ago

Nintendo is doing everything in it's power to screw over gamers, yet people will still consistently be like "omg pokemon, hiiiiii 🥺" and buy their slop even when the games get worse every time.

Like could you imagine if Microsoft did shit like this, the backlash would be huge.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

I grew up with a Nintendo controller in hand.

There's a very good reason I now game almost exclusively on PC. None of this is going to convince me to come back. Quite the opposite in fact.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I like their panoply of games, but I cannot in good conscience support this company. The time, effort and money they spent on their legal department could have been used elsewhere... Like pokemon maybe? I'm glad Palword saw daylight.

[–] Maalus 36 points 4 days ago (9 children)

They're suing Palworld too btw

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[–] mlg 33 points 4 days ago

They're clearing out the scene before the switch 2 releases because they perceive the current emulators as a major threat somehow.

Which I assume means that the new switch is similar enough in architecture that it would be relatively trivial to ship a fully functional emulator on hardware release.

Pretty insane because at least in the USA, emulation is protected by law, except if someone can successfully argue that you are bypassing DRM which is illegal.

In a working system, this wouldn't be an issue but I imagine neither Yuzu nor Ryjunix would want to deal with Nintendo's insane law team that could wreck them financially in a matter of days before even entering a court room.

I hope someone either makes an anonymous dev team for a future project, or gets assistance from a consumer justice firm/group to properly argue in court to shut Nintendo down. They really should not be able to do this because it was already a thing 24 years ago:

Sony Computer Entertainment v. Connectix Corporation, 203 F.3d 596 (2000), commonly referred to as simply Sony v. Connectix, is a decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals which ruled that the copying of a copyrighted BIOS software during the development of an emulator software does not constitute copyright infringement, but is covered by fair use. The court also ruled that Sony's PlayStation trademark had not been tarnished by Connectix Corp.'s sale of its emulator software, the Virtual Game Station.

[–] AndrewZabar 31 points 4 days ago

Wow! Way to tell the world to never buy your products because you're petty sniveling greedy and absolutely hate your fans.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This can't be a new thing. This was one of the conditions Nintendo announced when they dropped their stupid "register with us to be allowed to do lets plays" thing.

Oh, and it's not just Nintendo. All of the big publishers believe they own your videos that use their games. I've been involved in discussions with people personally who were trying to figure out how to demand licensing fees from YouTubers.

This is goingnto get worse before it gets better. This has been a traffic jam caused by everyone waiting for somebody to go first. Nintendo is just the one who has volunteered to be the first mover.

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[–] TheEighthDoctor 38 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I'm glad I bought a switch second hand and immediately installed a modchip on it, 0 money went to Nintendo

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[–] CaptPretentious 6 points 3 days ago

So the switch itself emulates older consoles... I could have swore I remember reading something like the anniversary bundle that they put out for a limited edition had a emulator that someone made.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago

I love a link to the past randomizer which is obviously not stock Zelda. Fuck Nintendo.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Honestly. Fine. I'm this close to going purely PC anyway. I've purchased dozens of physical Switch titles because the Switch represented Nintendo returning to its heyday of the SNES->Gamecube goodness. I've given Nintendo thousands and thousands of dollars over the last 3 and a half decades, and I'm thinking maybe they don't need any more of my money. Sure, I emulate, but never the most recent system. People got way too greedy with Switch emulation and now Nintendo is putting the kibosh on all of it. At this point though, GOG gets my money.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Emulation does not equal piracy though.

Why are we not allowed to do what we want with our own stuff?

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