The "Kake War" was initially started by a US sentry kicking a Lingít chief in the butt when he visited Fort Sitka on an invitation.
The chief then disarmed the sentry and walked away with his rifle.
A detachment was sent into the chief's village, but was repelled by the tribesmen, so the village was put under siege.
They surrendered, but after the surrender, two unarmed Lingít trying to leave in a canoe were killed anyway.
According to their laws and custom, the Lingít demanded retribution in goods for the killing, but were denied, so they captured and executed two fur traders as retaliation.
The USS Saginaw then set sail to "restore order", found all the Lingít villages deserted and put them to the torch, which killed an elderly woman who had stayed behind, and caused the deaths of many Lingít in the following winter since their stores and hunting canoes were destroyed.
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I love how they apologise for their crimes after centuries, knowing full well that they will get away with their current atrocities.
They'll apologise for current actions in about a century. Seems to work well so far.
Better than just, y'know, never. That's what happens most of the time.
Never is just as meaningful if the US government doesn't actually stop fucking doing it.
Unless you're counting war materiel sent to the IDF, I'm not sure what villages we've indiscriminately shelled in recent years.
Iraq and Afghanistan
Fighting opposing military forces in a village and indiscriminate shelling of a village are not the same thing. Unless you can think of a time some random village got shelled for no reason?
Yes, the entirety of both wars had indiscriminate shelling of non military targets. The US from every perspective was the bad guys for the last 20 years globally due to their explicit murder of over 1.5 million known civillians
Still waiting on that specific example. I'm also a little leery of the "explicit murder of over 1.5 million known civillians" claim. Source on that one?
https://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/usa1203/5.5.htm
https://archive.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/occupation/report/3weapons.htm
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/12/21/americas-war-on-syrian-civilians
Just a couple of examples, and that's not even getting into the farce of dual use targets
From the first article:
The Kurds told reporters covering the offensive that there were a thousand Islamic State fighters at the mountain base.
While another source disagrees, this is a "he said she said" situation.
From the second:
Ground-launched cluster strikes caused hundreds of civilian casualties across Iraq. Human Rights Watch documented cases in most of the major cities, including al-Hilla, al-Najaf, Karbala’, Baghdad, and Basra. Doctors at local hospitals provided statistics that supported individual testimony of deaths and injuries. The majority of these casualties resulted from the heavy use of cluster munitions in populated areas where soldiers and civilians commingled.
The third quotes the very paragraph above from the second, but quotes around and omits the line about areas where soldiers and civilians comingled.
From the fourth:
Although human-rights activists insist that the coalition could have done more to protect civilians, Townsend is right: unlike Russia, America does not bomb indiscriminately. The U.S. razed an entire city, killing thousands in the process, without committing a single obvious war crime.
Note, US propaganda aside, I absolutely agree that war crimes were committed, specifically with regards to the use of certain types of munitions. This is a separate allegation from deliberate targeting and indiscriminate destruction of exclusively civilian populations though.
War is hell, after all. All war is hell. It always kills civilians if they are present, yet it remains legal if pursued with appropriate "care". It takes more, then, than fighting occuring within residential areas to demonstrate the targeting of civilians.
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Wikipedia has brief introductions to both concepts for you since it's the first time you've heard about america's involvement in the middle east.
you really did just refuse to link wikipedia while citing it as your source
Uh huh. I'll go "do my own research" right away, thanks.
The US military shell Native Hawaiian land for "practice" with no intention of cleaning it up. They're not killing anyone but they're basically making native land uninhabitable for anyone else after/if they leave
Yeah, that sorta counts. Definitely shitty.
I would count that, yes.
My Lai would like a word
I don't know why I keep getting surprised at the rampant ignorance of the average liberal, but I do.
Little more likely you've simply been misled. Someone below quoted four sources, and the very best they had was one man's testimony which was contradicted by the Kurds.
Note, the keyword is indiscriminate. Not shells aimed at fighters in a village, but a village with nobody fighting from it. That part is key.
Bless your heart.
Also they won't even apologise for most of them
Never learned about this in my history classes back in school.
If they covered every instance of the US military destroying a bunch of native villages, you'd be in history class full time till you retire.
The joke only being enhanced by the fact that most of us will never retire.
If you did, you'd almost certainly have been taught some bullshit revisionist fiction showing friendly US officials probably eating with the Lingít people and teaching them how to do what the Lingít excelled at.
Honestly given the indignity, it's probably better they aren't mentioned in our K-12 "history"
No mention of reparations as part of this apology.
Although the community of Angoon received a $90,000 settlement from the Department of the Interior in 1973, it has long sought a formal apology.
Mentioning that previous amount just highlights that they aren't doing more / something significant.
Although the community of Angoon received a $90,000 settlement from the Department of the Interior in 1973...
Approximately $638,000 now, after inflation. Do with that knowledge what you will. (I recommend being somewhat upset.)