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[–] nothingcorporate 6 points 1 year ago

Is it Karl Marx or is it Ron Swanson's alter ego, Nick Offerman?

Yes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yes it cannot be saved because by nature it's contradictory and exploitative, all of the problems are caused by capitalism because without those problems people would be able to question for another system.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Didn't Marx propose a synthesis of the two classes, thus eliminating the ruling class?

I feel like Engles being his homie, Marx didn't hate the rich, he was just critical of the economic system.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Rather improved, if we destory it, where do we go back to? You can't move forward with removing the ground you stand on

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure what you are saying exactly. Are you advocating for a slow move rather than an instant systematic teardown or are you advocating we stop somewhere in the middle for a hybrid model?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Slow move it is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

That's a very evolutionist stand, which is proved to do more harm than good to society. There are economic options out of capitalism and communism, for that matter.

If you think that capitalism is going forward or a valid place to start something from, it surprises me that you're even in this community, since even Marx himself abandoned the idea that capitalism was the necessary (although wrong) path to get to socialism.

[–] md5crypto -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The progression of humanity was from hunter-gatherer to larger tribes to city-states to eventual feudalism by the late Antiquity all the way up until around 1600. We've not even had any kind of pure capitalism since then, only some hybrids of capital and socialism.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

First, what do you mean by "pure capitalism"?

Second, the fact that some "socialism" is mixed into the capitalism is the only reason it hasn't failed sooner.