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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Their statements says they were 'uncomfortable' temperatures.

Nah fuckers, those are DANGEROUS temperatures. This just wasn't an uncomfortable wait, this shit is serious

Of course this isn't an unpopular opinion but I absolutely loathe air travel. It's always a stain on any trip I take. I just got back from a trip where every connecting flight was missed by the fault of the airline. Who schedules for 1.5 hours to land, deboard, customs, security, and transit to another terminal at DFW? Why is the standard to do maintenance checks during boarding?

Now I'm not super familiar with how the systems work, but on most planes the AC doesn't seem to work until they can start the engines. Atleast that's been the case for almost every Boeing and other smaller regional jet makers. But with my most recent trip we were on A321s and those fuckers were frosty all the time. It was 102 outside and I was cold as fuck waiting for pushback.

I guess my point is, we need more laws on how long a reasonable wait is while boarded, and stricter regulations for high/low Temps.. which can be averted by whatever the fuck Airbus is doing on the vomit comet A321

[–] Confused_Emus 5 points 1 year ago

Before pushback, the plane's AC is provided with power over connections with the terminal, I believe. If a plane's sitting on the tarmac (this would be after pushback), it's not getting AC.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At the gate we would hook up air to most aircraft via those big yellow hoses you'd see. From what I remember they can do both heat and AC. Sometimes, if the turnaround was suppose to be quick, they'd run the AC off the APU or ground power. Once they lose access to that then the only way to run AC was with a running engine.

Take all that with a grain of salt though. I haven't worked in the industry for almost 20 years.

[–] SheeEttin 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think it's changed that much in 20 years. Aviation, especially commercial, moves very slowly.

[–] Kronusdark 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the sort of thing that is going to need FAA regulations. It is cheaper to leave people waiting in the heat then to move back and let people wait at the gate.

[–] dan1101 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apparently airlines can leave you inside a plane sitting on the tarmac 3 hours for domestic flights and 4 hours for international flights. I think those numbers are ridiculously high, especially if it's 100 degrees and the plane has no AC.

https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/tarmac-delays

[–] Kronusdark 3 points 1 year ago

yea, there needs to be a exception for that.

[–] Izzent 5 points 1 year ago

Delta should be shut down. But instead they get bailed out. "Delta said it would receive $5.4 billion, including a $1.6 billion loan"

Fucking ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I never fly delta, no matter how cheap the tickets are. I've never had a good experience with them.

[–] AnotherPerson 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is there a ranking system I'm unaware of? I thought Delta was one of the better ones compared to say frontier or spirit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Frontier and Sprint are a different tier than Delta, which is in the same tier as American Airlines. With Frontier and Sprint, you should expect everything to cost you something snd your trip to be bare bones.

Delta shouldn't be like that at all. But within its tier, it's the worst.

[–] AnotherPerson 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So what are tiers and who is in which one?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

From my experience:

  1. Major - Delta, United, American Airlines
  2. Value - Southwest, JetBlue
  3. Budget - Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant

I'm not sure where Alaska and Hawaiian airlines fit in since it's been a while since I've flown with them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'd add Alaska Airlines to the major category.

[–] AnotherPerson 1 points 1 year ago

Cool, thanks.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm the total opposite. I pay up to double the fare sometimes to fly Delta.

Hopefully this bad press on this incident causes some policy changes at Delta on tarmac delays. That sounds miserable and dangerous.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Exactly. I've had a much better experience with Delta than than most other major airlines.

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