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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There was an issue where lemmy.ml refused connections from kbin instances but the admins of that instance fixed the issue yesterday. At no point did true defederation occur.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That still doesn't explain why the block button doesn't seem to work.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Ooh, so domain block does something else entirely: it hides threads with links to the domain in question. That's another thing I was wondering how to do; was looking for a filtering option. Thank you so much!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think you're thinking of Lemmygrad.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If so, they don't seem to reflect that in the way they're managing their community. At least, not from what I can see.

If they're keeping their politics separate from their moderation, I see no issue with it, or any reason for defederation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fucking bait this post is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yourself is the second person reflexive pronoun.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

@pgm_01 Made me chuckle. But that's technically a definition, not an explanation.

@Chozo @mister_monster @Detry

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would mind, I just don't think that it's worth cutting off huge swaths of communities, whom are largely not Nazis, from each other.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Then find a new instance instead of trying to force this one to meet your standards.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

you know the lemmy platform is made by those same tankies, right?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bye then!

That's the fun thing about this all. You can just make your own instance. Have fun!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

But that's hard work. It's much easier to tell other people what they should be doing with the service they provide for free.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it can't be done for free, but already existing services like Reddit & Threads are free to use, then the barrier to entry is insurmountable to roughly 90% of users.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, things do have costs, and they must be paid somehow, either directly or through things like advertising, which comes with its own set of rather perverse incentives.

That most people value convenience and no direct cost to them is just a fact of the world, and I genuinely don't see the harm in companies providing services that fill that desire. There certainly are other things that they do that absolutely can be criticized, but "providing a free service that people want to use" isn't inherently objectionable.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Are you against any communication with anyone in Russia, because of Putin?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Are we talking about Bayer or Volkswagen here?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Same people running both servers

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I don't recall us defederating from them. Maybe try moving to beehaw.org, the definitely defederated from lemmy.ml and they have stricter moderation standards overall.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought we defederated from those Stalin fanboys? wtf?

I'm not really sure what made you think of that? Pretty sure ernest hasn't posted anything like that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

You can always fork a Kbin instance and run it yourself?

[–] Nindelofocho 4 points 1 year ago

Probably a good idea. You could find an instance that suites your needs or run one yourself as mentioned in other comments here. Instead you would rather be toxic and while I dont speak for the others, it’s probably not welcome.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Lemmy.ml is not the tankie instance. Lemmygrad is.

Lemmy.ml is simply run by a tankie, however that so far has not impacted the instance much.

As lemmy is currently growing faster than kbin, we would only be hurting ourselves on the 'official' instance. Instead better instance blocking on a per user basis just needs to be implemented.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Find a new instance, this is not your fiefdom here to run.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, "go away if you're not happy" is really the lamest answer possible. And he is more like "captain reddit", always freaking out about popularity and subscribers.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kbin.social is the official flagship instance representing kbin, and should strive to remain above squabbling over politics, only defederating from instances that are actively harmful.

Lemmy.ml is so far not an actively harmful instance. Plus, most people on kbin would prefer not to be defederated against their will and be unable to subscribe to communities from there.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Plus, most people on kbin would prefer not to be defederated against their will and be unable to subscribe to communities from there.

Well, to quote you, if they are not happy they can always: "Find a new instance, this is not your fiefdom here to run."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Appeasing to "most people" would be more of a "democracy" (majority rule) than a "fiefdom".
It actually might be a good idea to organize some votes in the platform to decide on things like this.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I don't believe it is about getting their userbase for the benefit of this instance but rather that defederating from a large amount of users not participating in any malicious activity on the basis of someone affiliated with that instance posting malicious works on another instance is (at least in my opinion) antithetical to the idea of the fediverse.
Doing so would step into the fallacy of collective punishment

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I think they are OK with seeing posts from all the people on the instance who aren’t tankies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Wow I thought all of the crying about "tankies" was blown way out of proportion but lemmygrad sure is a special place 😖

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree being able to filter/block everything from a domain on a per user basis would seem the reasonable middle ground.

Otherwise you'll just end up with constant demands to defederate based on conflicting moral codes.

I don't think growth should be the primary driver behind any instance, it should be about building and supporting the community on the instance.

Lastly I don't think your argument is very persuasive, pick an idiology/group you feel are immoral (nazis, kkk, isis, etc..) and see if your own argument would convince you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

squabbles.io/

spyke.social

If you want something that has no left, you can also try
saidit.net.

Also Threads is so hot right now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Just go back to reddit dude

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I have tried banning the instance but that no longer works.

If with this you mean you blocked the domain, well, for some reason non-link posts use the kbin domain regardless of which instance they're from. So blocking the domain a thread is from won't stop you from seeing that thread. In theory, idk how it works in practice, but what you're experiencing seems to confirm this.

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