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The US has urged Ukraine to halt attacks on Russia’s energy infrastructure, warning that the drone strikes risk driving up global oil prices and provoking retaliation, according to three people familiar with the discussions. [...]

One person said that the White House had grown increasingly frustrated by brazen Ukrainian drone attacks that have struck oil refineries, terminals, depots and storage facilities across western Russia, hurting its oil production capacity.

Russia remains one of the world’s most important energy exporters despite western sanctions on its oil and gas sector. Oil prices have risen about 15 per cent this year, to $85 a barrel, pushing up fuel costs just as US President Joe Biden begins his campaign for re-election.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 6 months ago (2 children)

FFS America, you don't get it both ways. You should have come down ruthlessly on anyone trading with Russia. But you did it all limp wristed and weakly.

Get a grip, get those weapons to Ukraine because there will be no stopping Putin if Russia wins this. And your orange idiot will back him all the way.

[–] Carrolade 17 points 6 months ago

tbf, leveling secondary sanctions on both China and India would probably burn the global economy to the ground, and wouldn't even accomplish the desired goal. They just don't need us if they all have each other. We're not as powerful as we pretend, unless you count our direct military capabilities.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 6 months ago

I despise war, but if you gotta defend, destroying the enemy’s fuel supply is a great tactic. I am sure Ukraine is not exactly worried about global oil prices lmao

[–] [email protected] 54 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

ffs, William Spaniel already made a video about this. Ukraine is only targeting Russian oil because the US is withholding military aid. There's no incentive for Ukraine to weaken its war efforts and keep oil prices low, if the US isn't going to give Ukraine anything in return. You can't go around complaining about the economic impact of a WAR.

[–] CAVOK 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Isn't it the republicans withholding aid to Ukraine? So bombing refineries would drive up prices, making Biden unpopular, increasing the likelihood of Trump getting elected which would make more aid even more unlikely? Or am I missing something? 🤔

Not bombing them allows Russia to make money though, so it seems both choices are bad ones here.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

That's a good point. I hadn't considered that incentive. It's possible that maybe Ukraine will hold off on oil attacks until after the election, then.

[–] BombOmOm 35 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The US should probably pass their lethal aid package if they want a seat at the table.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And then sit back and watch the refineries burn

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

And maybe start selling oil to Russia similar to what they did when they started selling gas to Europe during the last couple of years

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago

warning that the drone strikes risk ... provoking retaliation, according to three people familiar with the discussions.

Yeah, Russia might even start a war with Ukraine if they didn't stop! Could you imagine that?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Fuck that noise. As much of the oil refineries and all other Russian production capacity as possible must be destroyed

[–] nivenkos 5 points 6 months ago

Ukraine still allows Russia to send gas through some of their pipelines. Trade is important.

But yeah, the US should really help and pay back some of the huge benefits they've received. Biden could send US troops to Kyiv and Lviv tomorrow if he cared.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I guess the point is that this might be counterproductive - the panic on the market may drive the oil price so that the overall it is positive to Russia’s war effort.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago

warning that the drone strikes risk driving up global oil prices

Good. Where are those sanctions on anyone buying Russian oil anyway? You didn't hesitate when it was about trade with Iran.

and provoking retaliation,

From a country they are already in all out war with? What, so Russia was holding back until now? Only killing half the civilians and raping half the women they could have?

Fuck these people complaining about oil prices when people are fighting for their lives. Disgusting!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

I'm definitely all for Biden being re-elected, but somebody got to tell him to shut the fuck up sometime.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

Sounds like an oil corpo paid a bribe.

[–] nivenkos 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The only thing more dangerous than being the US's enemy, is being their ally.

The US reaps all the rewards from huge weapons and LNG exports, while refusing to send any troops or even further aid.

They're literally the only major economy with significant growth right now due to that, but offer nothing to help Ukraine or Europe.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

They're ~~literally~~ the only major economy

You don't need the "literally".

offer nothing to help Ukraine or Europe.

Bullshit. You could have performed a simple search about your claims before posting that.

European Defense

Ukraine Defense

The Joe Biden administration and the U.S. Congress have directed about $75 billion in assistance to Ukraine, which includes humanitarian, financial, and military support, according to the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, a German research institute. (This figure does not include all war-related U.S. spending, such as aid to allies.) The historic sums are helping a broad set of Ukrainian people and institutions, including refugees, law enforcement, and independent radio broadcasters, though most of the aid has been military-related. Dozens of other countries, including most members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and the European Union (EU), are also providing large aid packages to Ukraine.

My country's government is guilty of a lot of terrible things, but don't make things up, like every other shit-heel on the internet these days.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Dont mess with my dino juice

-America

But for reals, that's dumb ass hell.

[–] BuryMyHorse 5 points 6 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Aren't many of these strikes from the freedom of Russia legion?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

No, the long range drones are only used by the Ukrainian military.