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This article covers upcoming deployment.

I haven't come across overall Indiana sentiment on this yet

There are many things I'm unhappy about in this matter:

  • Deployment of Indiana guard for something the federal government should be doing.
  • Putting Indiana citizen soldiers in a very difficult position: having to deal with immigration policies in actual practice, political shenanigans, dealing with humanitarian issues when the primary mission isn't saving lives. We are good at war and helping save lives, anything else is asking for trouble.
  • Combining immigration policy with border protection. I don't like that they aren't separate. I feel like it's all political games, but someone convince me that we can't control borders without barring all immigration.
  • Crazy talk about federalizing a state's national guard.
  • Crazy talk about States and federal government clashing to the point of escalation. I don't think cool heads and reason win the day anymore. I feel like the populous seems willing to support more extreme measures these days
  • Separation of service members from their families

On one positive side, this will give 50 service members and their families a first hand view of a major topic instead of hearing it from the news.

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[–] NocturnalMorning 46 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What a waste of taxpayer resources.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I just emailed him using this form to ask him what in the flying fuck he is doing. I encourage you to do the same.

[–] Fedizen 30 points 8 months ago

Willing to blow infinite amounts of money on a fake ass spectacle but not willing to pass a single bill. What a fucking joke of a country.

[–] givesomefucks 29 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I've been saying it for a while now:

The longer Biden takes to invoke title 10 and activate Texas NG under federal command, the more other states are going to send people, and the less likely they do t all listen when Biden inevitably does it

Ignoring this only makes it worse

[–] spicytuna62 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The whole time, Republicans have been saying, "hE hAsn'T dOnE AnYThInG!!!1!1!1!"

Well, Joe, now's your chance to show them.

[–] PriorityMotif 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It isn't a mistake. Their base loves it.

[–] PriorityMotif 1 points 8 months ago

I'll bet the people forced to go to Texas for this shit don't love it.

[–] Fedizen 0 points 8 months ago

the state governments paying the guards to jack off at the border will eventually cost them elections. It makes more sense to wait for a real emergency and nationalize the guards then rather than protect republicans from their own false narrative

[–] CharlesMangione 0 points 8 months ago

The only reason he wouldn't have done that by now is a private understanding that the national guard would refuse his orders.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What do you think would happen if the Federal government tried to activate the entire state's national guard?

How do you see that playing out?

Sounds dangerous and scary.

[–] givesomefucks 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Bruh, title 10 is common...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Of course, for combat deployments, and operational support.

The context of the article, and some people's comments was using title 10 to assert military control over a state, and in the home state of the force, which would be a whole other thing.

Doesn't that make sense?

[–] givesomefucks 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's not just that, it happens often. It's not unusual for 10% or more guard time to be title 10.

Invoke title 10, have them secure the border from whoever else is opposing CBP, then send them all home.

If Texas activates them again, repeat.

I think what's going on here is you don't know about this stuff, but you don't. Just spend a couple minutes googling it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Dude, I was talking about your comment:

The longer Biden takes to invoke title 10 and activate Texas NG under federal command

Your comment implies putting significant or all of the Texas guard under title 10, to keep Texas from using them for border security? To keep Texas in line?

I think what’s going on here is you don’t know about this stuff, but you don’t. Just spend a couple minutes googling it

Do you? I question your reasoning for mentioning title 10, and for using the example of federally activating a state's national guard as a deterrent for other state's supporting Texas, if that's what you meant?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago

Should be read as "Seccesionists gather force in Texas", and should be treated as such

[–] FlyingSquid 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Not a day goes by when I'm not embarrassed by my state's government.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I've been gone like ten years and it's the same ol'thing

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Now's the time, begin the Michigan invasion!! First Indiana, then THE WORLD!

[–] FlyingSquid 8 points 8 months ago

Please invade, Michigan! I want cheap, legal weed!

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

I see a lot of comments conveyed unhappiness with Indiana governor and Republicans in general.

Any opinions?:

  • What should be done about the border security?

  • Is the threat of drug smuggling from across the border real or made up?

  • What should we do about fentanyl issues? I'm not interested/care about weed. It will be available soon/someday, just a matter of time.

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[–] Fedizen 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Fentanyl comes through regular entry points not remote wilderness (though the border wall access roads have made remote drops easier)

If we were serious about drugs we'd offer mexico incentives to dismantle the cartels, legalize weed, and offer more clinical support for addicts to reduce demand.

We have tons of border guards, more than enough. Its important to be clear republicans are the most upset about legal refugees and conflate them with "illegals" as indicated by their media constantly portraying bussing of legal refugees as though they aren't legal. More immigration courts are a must.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Its important to be clear republicans are the most upset about legal refugees and conflate them with “illegals” as indicated by their media constantly portraying bussing of legal refugees as though they aren’t legal. More immigration courts are a must.

I'm curious about more of this? Like the Afghans we brought over? Or are you talking about making it harder to receive asylum?

[–] FlyingSquid 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What should be done about the border security?

We have a border patrol. We can give them more money like Biden wanted. We also have immigration courts. We can give them more money Biden wanted.

Is there drug smuggling across the border? Sure. Do we have an expensive and pointless drug war? Yes. Maybe that should be the drug issue we concern ourselves with at the moment.

And fentanyl? Not an illegal border crossing issue. Most of it is brought in by U.S. citizens crossing the border legally. https://www.npr.org/2023/08/09/1191638114/fentanyl-smuggling-migrants-mexico-border-drugs

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

And fentanyl? Not an illegal border crossing issue. Most of it is brought in by U.S. citizens crossing the border legally.

This is dominantly why I hesitate to keep border security and immigration as the same issue in my mind. I know politicians will keep them together, but I don't think border security should be 'keeping out the illegals', I think it should be controlling everything/one coming in/out as best as possible. We also have a hard time finding contraband in shipping containers.

There's some pretty big fentanyl operations in China that keep the pipelines supplied. I wish we could get that a little more under control.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Isn't the "security" issue not really "immigrants are crossing" but "so many of them are vulnerable children we don't have the infrastructure to treat safely and humanely?"

Isn't that the exact reason why Obama declared the crisis in 2014, and why Trumps reaction to it was so derided?

It has very little to do with adult immigration and/or drugs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

@MSgtRedFox @FlyingSquid @Alto @Fedizen @Gingerlegs @the_q @NocturnalMorning @iamanurd @ScottStarkey @givesomefucks @happybadger Obvious first step would be to pass the compromise bill that Sinema and Lankford worked so hard on.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I got the impression that Young would have voted for it. One of the things I liked about Young was his at least standing behind the people that were already brought here: Young: 'Nothing's More Important' Than Giving DACA Recipients Certainty

He has also supported tighter border security things, so he seems a little of both.