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I like making soups and porridges. I usually add salt and pepper at the beginning to add flavor. Recently, a friend gave me a bottle of soy sauce and Im experimenting with it.

What would it make more sense? to add the soy sauce with the other ingredients before the mix boils, while boiling or only to add it before serving?

Another question is: should I use salt if I use soy sauce? Apparently, this sauce has a lot of sodium.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 47 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Its flavor is pretty indestructible, you can add it any time you like. If you add it early to any dish with solid materials (meat, veggies, etc) then its flavor will get more into the pieces you're cooking. Oh and yeah if you're adding soy sauce then DEFINITELY add less/no salt in addition

[โ€“] weeeeum 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

As a slight correction, it can be. If you are using a cheap soy sauce it doesn't matter because there are fewer volatile flavour compounds to cook off and is fine to cook with. If you are using a high end soy sauce, it should be used as a finisher, once the heat is off and food slightly cooled. It's because high-end soy sauce is actually fermented, and for a long time. Because of this it has a much more complex flavour profile and many more compounds that deepen it's taste, compounds that are volatile and will cook off when cooking.

It's an identical concept to extra virgin olive oil and pure olive oil. If it's pure there's few compounds to cook off and retains it's (neutral in this case) flavour. If it's extra virgin the complex aromas and compounds are cooked off when heated and becomes indistinguishable from pure oil.

[โ€“] flipthetube 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I use low sodium tamari exclusively, before, during, and/or after cooking. Should I get a cheap soy sauce to use instead for cooking?

[โ€“] weeeeum 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They are similar enough to be used in the same manner. If you prefer the tamari's flavour more than "cooking" soy sauce then you can continue using it.

Food is your art and you can do whatever the hell you want with it. I did a fair amount of "fine dining" but that never stopped me dipping my fries in milkshakes or eating char sui with a side of American turkey stuffing. I'd never dare serve it to guests but you have lots of freedom nonetheless in cooking.

Also small exception, if it's really expensive tamari then it's best used for finishing. Any soy sauce can be cooked with, it's mostly economical reasons to use the cheap kind. When cooked (and flavour slightly degraded), soy sauce is often a slightly mellow background flavour, and expensive soy sauce does not enhance it very much.

[โ€“] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'll use both salt and soy sauce in a dish. Soy sauce adds complexity to the flavor of broths, soups, savory porridge, stir fries, dumplings, sauces, meats, etc.

When making soups or stews, I'll lightly salt the onions I fry so they release their water faster, but not enough to season them. Salt helps pull water out of food, so it has utility outside of just seasoning. Soy sauce might do the same, but I haven't used it that way. I'll add soy sauce closer to the end of the cook during my seasoning adjustment step in lieu of salt, but sometimes I'll use both as I want a mild soy sauce flavor, not a strong one.

I'll include soy sauce in marinades to add color and flavor while salting meats. Usually with a small pinch of sugar and some Shaoxing cooking wine (though most any wine or acid would work).

I use soy sauce as a base for a dipping sauce for dumplings or steamed veggies, combining it with vinegar, sesame oil, minced green onions, stock and/or chili oil/paste.

I'll use it in stir fries towards the end when I'm seasoning, like the soups, by jamming my thumb over the opening and drizzling some (less than half a teaspoon) around the wok before mixing thoroughly.

You don't have to do this, but I often use two soy sauces, one light, one dark. You likely have a bottle of the light kind. The dark is thicker and has a deeper flavor and it's less salty. I'll use a very little bit (like a quarter of a teaspoon) of dark soy sauce to add another layer of flavor complexity and to color my food so it looks more appealing. A touch can add a lil color that somewhat mimics the browning you get from a strong Maillard reaction.

Soy sauce is a great way to add salt and umami at the same time while giving your food an appetizing appearance. I'd go light with it first, though, as you often don't need very much in a dish and when it overpowers a dish, it's not very pleasant, in my opinion.

To answer your question of "do I use salt if I'm using soy sauce?", it depends. There's a lil bit of practice with it, but, in general, I'll use enough soy sauce to get the flavor I want, then add more salt if it still needs salt. Or better yet and sometimes in addition, a pinch of MSG. But it doesn't always need additional salt. It usually benefits from a lil MSG though heheh

FWIW: I prefer the Kimlan Premium Light Soy Sauce (the bronze label one) and the Pearl River Superior Dark Soy Sauce, though if anyone else has some recommendations, I'll take em!

[โ€“] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

I chug it straight from the bottle as I wait for my porridge to microwave.

[โ€“] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It can be an unsung hero in many tomato-based recipes. I use a tablespoon of it when I make jambalaya and beef stew.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Wait. What happens if I were to add a little soy sauce to spaghetti bolognese? I'm very intrigued.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

Italian ramen

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

I do it. Tastes great! I also add a bit of milk and others use a bit of fish sauce as a secret ingredient.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

I find anything with natural umami like tomatoes, some fish and mushrooms benefits a lot from an underlying layer of soy sauce flavor. Like balancing the acid and salt in a dish, juuuust enough to accentuate what's already there, but not enough to be it's own distinct flavor.

[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

I recommend getting Mirin (sweet rice wine) to add it to soy sauce dishes.
Those two are the main ingredients of Teriyaki sauce.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Soy sauce adds umami/savory tastes to dishes. If you want your dish to taste more savory, add soy sauce.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Take some leftover rice from yesterday, or prepare some by steaming.

Heat a pan, drop a tablespoon of oil in. Fry any form of fresh garlic and ginger in it. Throw in the rice. Stir, mix, fry.

Then mix the soy sauce into the rice, mix. Start with smaller amount, you can add more later. Crack an egg or two and pour them in. Mix for a while until the eggs cook.

Top with a spring onion, Lao gan ma chilli crisp, sesame oil, sesame. Serve.

Most of the ingredients in the recipe are optional, you really just need the rice, soy sauce and eggs.

If you like porridges, try making some congee, it is easier if you have a rice cooker. The rest of the recipe is almost the same as with the fried rice above.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

according to my co-worker, if you still have some left in the bottle, you haven't used enough.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Soy sauce I find strange I know people are meant to love it but I honestly can't even taste it.

I've tried using it quite a lot because I'm a huge fan of Asian food but soy sauce stumps me as I can't taste any difference. I can tell the difference if I add actual msg but not with soy sauce.

[โ€“] weeeeum 1 points 8 months ago

Depends what flavour you want and dishes you make. There is a lot of soy sauce and a lot of dishes made with it. General rule, use cheap soy sauce for frying/sauteing. In this case the acidity is cooked out and it will add a salty umami flavour, without much sour taste. We don't use expensive soy sauce here because like the acidity, the complex flavours only found in expensive soy sauce are cooked off and evaporate into the air.

When finishing a dish or making a dipping sauce is where quality soy sauce shines.

I personally use Tsuru Bishio as it is one of the last, if not the last soy sauce brand to be traditional fermented instead of machine processed. It's important because the traditional method (especially the wood barrels) adds a lot of depth to it. It might be hard to notice it at first but after using it for a while I can never go back. Plus it's a great value since it's so concentrated and strong you need very little of it. I go through a 40$ bottle in about 4-5 months with frequent use.

A sushi dipping sauce I like to make is

2 parts soy sauce 1 part sake A few drops extra virgin sesame oil A small amount of minced shallots 5-6 paper thin slices of raw garlic

It's very strong and a little pungent (meaning a tingling/burning sensation on the tongue, similar to spicy) but very flavourful. It can be tamed by reducing sake, garlic and adding a few extra drops of oil.

Other than dipping sauces finishing soy sauce can be drizzled over a dish ready to be served/eaten.

Soy sauce definitions

Light soy sauce (usually Chinese): it's thinner than most and has more salt added to it. It's not low quality, simply a different type for different flavours

Dark soy sauce (usually Chinese): harbors a much stronger soy flavour and is much darker (duh!). It has slightly less sodium compared to light.

Finishing soy sauce (usually Japanese): typically much richer and slightly thicker soy sauce with deep and complex, delicate flavours that are easily cooked off accidentally.

There are even more but these are the only ones I use in lots of Asian cooking. I also generally avoid food products imported from China because of their dubious regulation, corruption and pollution that make them potentially harmful. Look for brewed in Japan/USA

[โ€“] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Adding salt in the beginning is a waste. Better to add salt at the end when you're ready to eat. That way you won't have to use as much.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I didn't wanna say it but yeah... this is terrible cooking advice and demonstrates a serious lack of core knowledge. It's also utterly irrelevant to the topic of how to use soy sauce.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

When I first started cooking, I never salted my food because I noticed no difference. Now I've begun salting food, but it's generally so much that other people perceive it as oversalted, because only then do I see a difference. Maybe I'm salting too late (since most recipes have it as a last step)? What difference does it make to add salt at the end vs at the beginning?

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is also still a waste. I just mount a salt lick (himilian pink of course) at my dinner table and periodically give it at lick while eating. You activate the salt receptors on your tongue whilst consuming very little actual sodium this way.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

You activate the salt receptors on your tongue whilst consuming very little actual sodium this way.

This makes it sound like it works...and that it's a perfectly normal thing to do. I love it

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No! What?

Salt or no salt can hugely affect how things behave and "eat", by drawing out moisture or a bunch of other mechanisms.