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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Men were not effected by that rule, of course not these degenerated religious fanatics never limit themselves but try to cut into the life of others

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is one of my complaints about Islam. Countries which practise Islamic law always relegate women to second class citizenship. For example, the testimony of a man is worth three women. In other words, any man can rape a woman and unless she has a man to testify, she’d need three women to testify on her behalf - assuming they witnessed the event.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You're right in what you say. What is strange here is that although Turkey is not an Islamic country, there is such a rule. Turkey is a secular country.

[–] sycamore 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unlike all the other religions, where women are always treated well.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago

There are currently no Christian nations which treat women like this. No religion or ideology is perfect, but Islam is uniquely hateful towards women.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Three to one is such an absurd parody of justice.

[–] Chickenstalker 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is so that if the woman becomes pregnant, the recently ex-husband have to pay extra alimony for the child AND the child gets to inherit from the biological father. Regardless, the woman will get alimony until she remarries.

[–] miega 8 points 1 year ago

in a twisted way this was a progressive law at some point. in some other extremely religious countries women aren't allowed to divorce at all and here it was like a compromise off getting a timeout.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

That's because it's about control. Another barrier to consider before divorcing in a patriarchal society.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Þe olde baby check...

Old, archaic and misogynistic rule, but at the very least it serves a purpose. Luckily those practices aren't needed anymore and this rule isn't necessary with the advent of technologies like ultrasound.

[–] ElSapo 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In Italy we have the same law, it's just another safeguard to prevent excessive succession disputes, I don't see what's the problem.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem is if such a law only applies to the women

[–] ElSapo 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Men cannot get pregnant, what would be the point of having it apply to men too?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I think this should apply to everyone. It is good practice to give your new relationship some time before jumping in the marriage boat.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It should be a choice you personally make, not a forced decision by the state

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Marring is a government form you fill. You can decide whatever

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In a world in which marriage didn’t confer any special rights or obligations, I would agree. But marriage is a state-sponsored activity which affords the married all kids of benefits and obligations. Inasmuch, the state does have a say in how it is conducted. Personally, I’m fine with getting the government out of marriages. Everything should be done via legal agreement. No more de facto marriages and alimony. Adults can make informed decisions about their future. They should have the right to make their own choices about what’s fair and reasonable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Get your head out of the US.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I only superficially agree with this take because of the many cultural implications of marriage. E.G. Kids, housing, money. Decisions that
may carry serious implications and cannot easily be undone should not be rushed into.

With that said, marriage is not a prerequisite to any of these potentially problematic aspects of relationships, which makes the entire idea of the restriction-by-association a bit silly. Especially because it is not placed on 'new' relationships, merely on the the transferring of relationship statuses in a very particular manner.

I think marriage itself is a bit of an antiquated institution that needs a modern re-work to better fit it to societal needs.

I fully support the current marginal waiting periods for marriage licenses because I feel like this minor barrier does not meaningfully inconvenience the vast majority but may prevent cases of abuse or caprice.

TL:DR - Liberalism and guardrails.