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Immigrants aren’t having ‘litters’ of children. That’s a racist stereotype. A 59% of all illegal immigrants don’t have a single child
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/US
https://cis.org/Report/Fertility-Among-Immigrants-and-NativeBorn-Americans
Also illegal immigrants don’t collect welfare. You need to be a US a citizen for that.
https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/eligibility/citizen/non-citizen-policy#:~:text=Only%20U.S.%20citizens%20and%20certain,as%20income%20and%20resource%20limits.
Illegal immigrants commit less crime, they grow almost all of our food, immigrants consumed about 27 percent less welfare and entitlement benefits in 2020 than native‐born Americans, they are not the problem
The issue is with capital owners hiring them and the immigrants being forced to work in horrible conditions because they lack the ability to collectively bargain. I do agree that we need a fast, cheap and easy path to citizenship.
https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2010/08/11/unauthorized-immigrants-and-their-us-born-children/
Sure, 59% of illegal immigrants don't have children. But the 41% do, and when they do, its not 1 or 2. It's a litter. A big enough litter to MORE than make up for the 59% who are doing the right thing and not rawdogging it constantly.
Welfare doesnt mean snap. Welfare means "statutory procedure or social effort designed to promote the basic physical and material well-being of people in need."
Here's a lazy link that is just the tip of the iceberg:
https://www.charitynavigator.org/discover-charities/best-charities/immigration-refugee-charities/
As for the rest, I'm not disagreeing with you.
I just think you are being delusional if you don't think that illegal immigrants are driving down the minimum wage.
I think you are being delusional if you don't think that illegal immigrants help business owners evade income taxes while evading income taxes themselves.
I think you are being delusional if you don't think that illegal immigrants breed at a rate that surpasses Americans with a legal resident status.
I think you are being delusional if you don't think that as a society, we spend a massive amount of time and resources subsidizing illegal immigrant families that take shitty low paying jobs and have too many kids.
Give them real help. Remove the illegal status. Help them naturalize.
Don't put on blinders. Fix the issues.
Wrong again. The average immigrant has 0 children and the ones that do have 1-2, again on average. Illegal immigrants aren’t driving down the minimal wage. This is objectively untrue as the amount of illegal immigrants are uncorolated to the minimum wage. They are also actually a net gain for the taxpayer. I don’t disagree to the solution, but looking at reality and facts when assessing the situation is the most important first step
I'd guess that their share in child population is bigger not because they have so many children but because citizens don't have many (of at all) children. It's the same with all of the developed countries, their birth rates are below population sustain threshold.