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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Anatoly Karlin @powerfultakes

Replying to @RichardHanania

I'm against legalizing bestiality because the animal consent problem hasn't been solved, but probably actually will be quite soon thanks to Al (at least for the higher animals with complex languages). So why not wait a few more years. I don't see disgust as a good reason. It was an evolutionary adaptation of the agricultural era against the spread of zoonotic illnesses, but technology will soon make that entirely irrelevant as well.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Philosophical question: if brutally torturing and murdering billions of animals is fine, why do we draw the line at sex? I’m a vegetarian and have never ideated it, but the position is untenable.

edit: What I’m saying is apparently nobody gives a fuck about consent when we’re talking about putting intelligent beings in a box barely bigger than themselves and feeding them slop until we think they’re overweight enough to unceremoniously dump dozens at a time into a gas chamber where we choke them while they’re conscious. But now that wieners are involved we’re suddenly holier than thou? Come on.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

HMMMMM I WONDER

shots are on me tonight, vegetarian reply guy with pretend opinions was my last square before blackout!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

“I can excuse bestiality, but I draw the line at animal cruelty”

[–] WaxedWookie 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think your framing is flawed (I don't think it's an issue of consent so much as it's an issue of creating animal suffering for personal benefit), but I broadly agree - I personally get past the hypocrisy because I have no interest in fucking animals, and push the suffering I cause by eating animal products to the back of my mind and pretending it's not a thing. Responsibility is also meaningfully abstracted in the food example, making it far easier to pretend you're not at fault compared to having a chicken impaled on your dick.

In a similar way, people consuming products made in sweatshops and people downloading CSA material are both exploiting children.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Interesting, thanks for the reply. For the record, the comment I replied to argued consent, hence the response.

edit: I just realized I’m wrong, that was the argument by the original OP.