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Defederating from an entire instance for one community seems a bit overblown tbh. Blocking would prob be effective enough. That said, beehaw will likely be most proactive in removing td nonsense from its feed
sh.itjust.works hosts it. They should kick them out.
Yeah, defederation isn't an answer to this, or if it is, it's an absolute last resort. First they have to do something wrong, then the instance should ban them, if they fail to act and the community is doing something wrong, then you talk about defederating.
Nah. Users need to ability to block entire instances. It's crazy this is overlooked.
You can on kbin, but I don't know how to on lemmy yet.
I don’t think it’s overlooked. It’s probably just not been implemented yet.
As soon as they brake rules they absolutely should be banned.
Hm, is it possible the community was already kicked by the instance? I don't find it.
Leave it to Redditors to be OK with everything turning into a Nazi bar.
Dude, it is one community with a whopping 9 subscribers and every single post is sitting at negative.
Y'all need to calm down.
Have you read the linked story? Because it stands exactly counter to what you are saying.
I am aware of the story.
Preemptively defederating an instance over a single community, with only one active poster is extreme and lacks any nuance.
Also, if you look through the posts. The instance is 'throwing them out of the bar' anyways, each post is getting obliterated. Which, I find funny as fuck.
Fun fact, being SA as a man means you get all the treatment of being gay and none of the support.
Don't ask how I know.
No it's not that. Lots of us never interacted with that sub. Just block them no need to defederate a while instance
If the instance won't kill the sub, the members of the sub will take over that instance.
I'm seeing some people testing the waters of some subs to see what they can get away with.
so because the donald was on reddit, the entire reddit community was taken over?
At the height of it, yes. It filled up the front page every single day and made the site absolutely reek.
It's what made me stop browsing /r/all, drop off most default subs, and stick to only my subscribed subs. Brigading and spamming is the whole point.
That must have sucked, did you just not think about blocking the sub at the time? Oh you are saying they were posting donald stuff in default subs too?
I ended up getting banned from the donald during its rise. All i did was provide info refuting someones clames..
Ended up just blocking the sub. So its possible i missed the whole rise and fall part.
Maybe not "taken over" per se, but they definitely didn't confine to just their own community
E: Guess it was worst than I thought, I had blocked the subreddit fairly early on.
It had a massive impact on the "culture" of the website and would have kept spreading quite effectively if the admins weren't pressured to quarantine it for PR reasons.
Users need the ability to block entire instances. Problem solved.
a better analogy is dropping the whole town the nazi bar is in
Yes, the vast universe of Lemmy is like a fucking bar lmao. Great analogy
I don't think it is. R/The_Donald was a cancer on Reddit, spreading around and harming other communities. If an instance is willing to tolerate a community like that, I don't see the value of anything else in that instance.
when i was a christian there was this story that would be told that went something like this:
"one day a kid was caught by their parent doing something they knew they weren't supposed to do. it was just a small thing with no real consequences, but it was against the rules of the house and therefore the kid was being disobedient. when the parent confronted the kid about the behavior the kid argued that it was harmless and that it was ok. the parent, seeing an opportunity to teach the kid a lesson, said 'ok' and left. several hours later the parent called the kid into the kitchen where they'd made brownies. the parent offered the kid a brownie who readily accepted. as the kid reached for a brownie the parent stopped them and said 'oh, but first you should know, theres a small piece of cat poop in there, but it's ok, it's just a small piece and i put it in that corner over there'. the kid reeled in disgust and said they didn't want the brownies anymore. 'why?' the parent inquired, 'it's just a small piece and won't hurt anyone as long as they stay away from that small corner'. the kid, then realized the importance of obedience in every way."
total bullshit story, but like all christian bullshit there's a kernel of truth in there. one small nazi ruins the whole batch of brownies.
If they want that community on their instance I don't want to interact with their instance. I guess at this point I should just spin up my own instance and federate via whitelist.
it's really easy, I spun up my own instance in a morning. Ok, I am a sysadmin and programmer, but it really wasn't very difficult and didn't require much beyond creating a VPS and DNS entry along with basic abilities at the command line to use the ansible playbook.
I actually have an old file server under my desk I'm tinkering with and using for my nextcloud I'm just paranoid that I won't have it set up properly in terms of the security I have on it otherwise i would have spun up a Lemmy instance weeks ago lol. I've daily driven Arch Linux on my gaming desktop for years at this point so I'm not exactly unfamiliar with a command line.
You wouldn't have to do that if users had the power to block entire instances themselves. It's stupid that we have to discuss with mods about something that should be completely within our control.
It's not overblown. It's sending a message to the admins of that instance.
Blocking the community itself is the smallest Band-Aid in the world. The kinds of users who join that instance for that community aren't going to be quarantined to just that community.
its entirely overblown, the smallest band-aid in the the world is entirely appropriate for one user shitposting
Users can block individuals and communities, but not instances. I think if we give users the power to block instances, then everyone has the tools they need to ignore the content they don't want to see. Blocking users is nice because they don't realize their being blocked and are less likely to get around it. It also has the added benefit of only blocking them for you, so nobody gets control over what others see.
The problem isn't just that community, it's the people who follow. They're not the kind of people we should try to attract here.
They're probably the same people who were active in fatpeoplehate and other malicious subs too, and it's better not to wait for that to happen. If it doesn't get handled now, their toxicity will likely spill over into other communities
FWIW, I certainly don't support that shit even though I made that instance my "home", not knowing that one guy's cesspool even existed there.
I chose that one because it's near me, hosted in a local datacenter, uses hydro power and has good performance.
I will be glad to let my voice be heard when we discuss and vote about this troll's fate in the Agora over there (which feels very much like the polar opposite of that troll's bullshit).
As far as I can tell it has no support from the instance's members.
I think our admin was busy upgrading to 0.18 while this was posted, hopefully this gets addressed soon and I'm prepared to move on from there if it isn't.
Having interacted with decent people there, I hope we'll sort this out.
I think if users had the ability to block entire instances then this would be a non-issue. There would be no more pressuring of admins to defederate controversial instances or adjust moderation to please other ones.