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https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/news/ukraine-support-tracker-europe-clearly-overtakes-us-with-total-commitments-now-twice-as-large/
Yes... that decreasing support.
Also what have been the effects of the blowing up of the Nord stream? The thing wasn't even in use. But the prices of gas went up. And people are pointing fingers left and right. Sounds like russia trying to destabilize the west.
Now again pipeline blows up. Immediately gas prices up again. Again pointing fingers. It sure sounds like the only one benefitting is Russia. And people selling gas, I guess.
Slovakia pulled support, Belgium is saying it's F-16s are "too old," Poland is confused, Germany's Leopard 1s are "defective," and the UK has made no indication it plans to send more Challenger 2s after the destruction of the supposedly "invincible" tank on the battlefield back in September.
https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-en/news/military-support-ukraine-2054992
Again you're spewing bullshit. As you can see, another batch of weapons and ammo announced including 38 leopard tanks. That's 18 leopard 2, btw. And 20 leopard 1. Which are only "defective" by German standards. And that was pre-repairs.
Belgium: https://kyivindependent.com/umerov-belgian-defense-minister-discuss-f-16s/
UK doesn't need to announce every other week that it's supporting ukraine. 2023 matched 2022 as far as the UK is concerned. 2.3 billion worth, for the record.
It's cute that you had to mention Slovakia with their new pro-putin lackeys. Every little bit helps, sure, but we're talking about a 0.1% of the total aid here.
And again, you're ignoring actual data with sources and real numbers in favour of your "news". If you actually check the previously linked data website you'll see that 2023 was actually more generous than 2022. Mostly because the bulk of the aid comes from the EU as a while (all the other stuff you're bring up country-level, extra/individual aid) and the US.
Also, I said Russia trying to destabilize, not succeeding. I never said they were capable or anything.
Ukraine rejects defective Leopard 1 tanks from Germany after finding ‘serious faults’
Sure doesn't sound like it's Germany calling them "defective"
Do you enjoy being wrong or are you just oblivious?
For what it's worth, your entire claim is that Russia had no motive but was too stupid to tell... Yawn.
You said, and I quote "Germany's leopard 1 tanks are "defective"". Congrats, you brought up something I wasn't aware of. But how is it not bullshit implying they're all defective when only 10 out of 178+ were rejected?
Bonus from today: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/major-new-package-of-support-for-ukraines-counter-offensive-announced-by-grant-shapps
And out of everything that I've said, that small thing was the only thing you tried to refute. And yet I'm the one in the wrong?
And I don't know where you got the whole "russia's got no motive" thing from. When I clearly pointed out that they're the only ones gaining from the pipelines being blown up
Russia destabilized the West by... doing no effective work?