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I feel like I'm going to get flak for taking a position that's not completely anti-Windows, but please try to hear me out before casting judgment. I use both OS and think they both have merit. Linux- for the reasons listed in the meme, and windows- for those without the technical know-how, patience, or time for the better alternative.
That being said, if anyone thinks like how this Ed, Edd, N' Eddy looking mofo in the meme does I'll be the first to say that's a horribly bad take lol
Of course it is. There's 0 reason to come after anyone for choosing Linux as any, if at all, of the extra effort incurred is only going to affect them personally.
Edit: Not even a single flak in the comments, the happiest I've ever been to stand corrected. We've done it, world peace achieved.
I think the problem is preinstalls. No one was born understanding how Windows works, we had gathered that experience over time. If the computer you were introduced to was a Linux system (with X11 and KDE or GNOME), then that would be what you would get used to. Unfortunately, getting Linux preinstalls on laptops is basically impossible. Vendors love that preinstall money.
Companies that sell "enterprisy" laptops (like Dell and Lenovo) usually sell a few models with Linux. And while not a laptop I wouldn't be surprised if almost half of Desktop Linux users today have a Steam Deck.
I would be one of them 👋 I've used Windows up until I got my SteamDeck, & it works perfectly for my mostly light browsing needs, when I'm not gaming on it.
That's very true! I would've loved this option in my formative years back before developing all the bad habits lol
I must forget everything I know about computing. 🥋
I read your name as stoned morman
I find this both humourous and troubling D:
I think that would not change the opinion much among the existing desktop userbase. That being said the younger generations are not by nature desktop users the way Gen-xers and millennials were. I think getting GNU/Linux as the default desktop for educational settings I think will have. Thankfully there is some traction being made on this front, particularly in places like France, Brazil & Argentina. Then again I guess it's not an either or, as having more vendors with preloaded Educational focused distributions & support would make such adoption more likely to successfully launch in such settings.
I use both. I've tried using Linux on desktop and there's always been a few handfuls of minor but annoying enough issues that make just want to go back to windows on my main computer. For my laptop that I don't use often, Linux is fine. For hosting services on my local network, Linux is fine. Neither are prefect but Linux definitely has come a long ways.
How fucking DARE you. People should be forced to learn how to compile their OS, like Gentoo allows, and then have it crash and burn in front of everybody in social studies when you have to present your LibreOffice presentation about why Teddy Roosevelt was objectively the best president and spent a lot of time on making a slide with Abe the soyjack and Teddy the chad.
/s in case somebody needs it
That reminds of the time a teacher asked to borrow my computer running arch to display a spreadsheet on the projector using hdmi. I couldn't remember the xrandr command to mirror screens so I just lied and said "I don't have a hdmi driver installed".
For me the main issue is the time effort and the incompability with other people and my work that work with Microsoft products.
Linux is slowly getting there, it's developers just need to drop the "git gud" and "special club status" mentality and concentrate more on user experience.
Some people clearly are! Some distros are clearly focused on getting a friendly interface for everything, and proton finally made Linux gaming possible, despite all the grumbling from “purists”
Yeah like I switched and love it and I think the gap is closing fast, but whether linux closes it or windows closes it is still up to chance. The easier Linux gets for everyday users who don’t want to learn command line the more people are going to use it. The more software that just works on Linux the more easily you’ll convince people. It’s not about getting to where your coworkers or your grandma can use it. It’s about getting your in laws to not need your help to use it after a friend recommended it
I'll use Linux for a few things and I do appreciate it, but it's probably never going to be my daily driver as long as I can keep Windows 10 running. I don't like using terminal for everything, I want to click stuff with my stupid 50 button mouse like a dummy, and I don't want to install dependencies every time I went to do something new on my computer, I just want it to come bloated with too many drivers to cover my bases for 90% of use cases and not have to think about it. Does that make me dumb? Maybe, but just let me be dumb. 🤣
You don't have to use it for anything. Especially on KDE.
That's literally what a package manager does for you. Unless you're building everything from source, you'll never have to do this.
You basically described the Linux kernel. It's not "bloated", but it has more drivers built into it than Windows does. Even when you plug in a mouse on Windows it literally installs drivers. On Linux stuff just works.
While you don't have to use it, there is a very large possibility that once in a while you will be at a disadvantage if you don't use it.
Not at all. The terminal is just simply faster at many tasks.
I prefer Windows because I don’t need all the extra customization and in depth features, and I don’t want to bother setting them up. Like sure I could use commands to queue up file transfers, but I would never have the need and could get 99% of the way there with a drag and drop…
It's fine until you have to move more than a handful of files and discover it takes the better part of a day and slows your machine to a crawl.
File management under windows is really something else. Apparently there are third party tools that somewhat mitigate this.
Can’t say I’ve ever had that problem myself. Then again I never move more then, say, 20-30 GB at once.
Had to copy a couple of TB to a new drive the other day.
Just selected all, and dragged them over. Then I just walked away, because even during those rare situations, it doesn't matter how long it takes.
Only took an hour though, and Windows was still working flawlessly in the meantime. Running on +8 year old hardware even.
You sure you used Windows in the last 20 years?
Not often, granted, but on the same machine, the approximate same amount of data shuffled around in Linux and windows has dramatically different impacts on the system.
I've seen it happen two or three times. It's not a regular occurrence as I don't keep data on windows filesystems. I still see it on other's Windows machines though.
I agree that the sample is too small to make it a rule. But it has nevertheless been quite consistent for me.
yeah I'm forced to do such inside a Microsoft eco-system at work, and Beyond Compare was surpsingly helpful at such.
I'll use Linux for a few things and I do appreciate it, but it's probably never going to be my daily driver as long as I can keep Windows 10 running. I don't like using terminal for everything, I want to click stuff with my stupid 50 button mouse like a dummy, and I don't want to install dependencies every time I went to do something new on my computer, I just want it to come bloated with too many drivers to cover my bases for 90% of use cases and not have to think about it. Does that make me dumb? Maybe, but just let me be dumb. 🤣
Not trying to convince anybody, but I decided to switch over to Linux on my personal laptop after having a terrible experience with a forced Windows 11 upgrade on my work laptop. I thought it would be more difficult, but the only time I had to even use the terminal was to maybe fix one of my internal hard drives not auto mounting, and to get a couple programs working. 90% of all my apps work out of flatpak/pre-installed "software store" in Linux Mint. Even been doing some moderate gaming on Steam, and everything just works, mostly. I actually got Outer Wilds working better in Linux than in Windows. There are some oddities, but I am sure they're only "odd" because I've been using Windows since like 1999. I am confident the only thing I'll ever need Windows for is my work laptop and maybe MS Office. I can do 95% of stuff in the brower with MS's online Office 360, but there are some deficiencies.
I am excited to be slightly challenged with a new OS experience!
These two statements are at odds with each other. If you did use Linux at all you would know everything else you said is false.
Yeah, some people just don't have the time to learn Linux and this "it's so much easier than windows!" Nonsense is from people that haven't used it since XP cause the average windows user would absolutely struggle on even the most "just works" distro.
If you're incredibly familiar with something of course you'll think it's easy, that doesn't mean it actually is, it just means you've spent a lot of time doing it.
I'll use Linux for a few things and I do appreciate it, but it's probably never going to be my daily driver as long as I can keep Windows 10 running. I don't like using terminal for everything, I want to click stuff with my stupid 50 button mouse like a dummy, and I don't want to install dependencies every time I went to do something new on my computer, I just want it to come bloated with too many drivers to cover my bases for 90% of use cases and not have to think about it. Does that make me dumb? Maybe, but just let me be dumb. 🤣
I stopped reading after Windows and just wanted to tell you to educate yourself. I'd recommend Arch to any sane person.
~~Brother, we're on the same team. There's a Debian distro on nearly all of my computers. I was just trying to add a bit of nuance to the conversation and bridge the divide. We don't have to be enemies.~~
Edit: I've been had. Bamboozled, even.
People like you are the reason for the bad reputation of linux.
If you see someone making a bold statement and then referring to Arch Linux, it's probably a joke
With the people in here you can't be sure sadly.
Yeah I was making a joke when I said I was making a joke. Actually I am serious.
This but unironically.
JFC that joke went over my head like a B-2. Whoops 🤦
Edit: I deserve that downvote for not getting the joke lol
Linux isn't an OS. It's just a kernel, which doesn't do much like it self. GNU is an OS and Linux is one of its kernels.
Yeah thanks sherlock... But it's quite a common simplification and understood by almost anyone.
Edit: I'm sorry – after reading my comment again– that came across quite a bit harsher than it was meant.
I'd argue it was appropriately harsh. God am I tired of seeing "but muh GNU" every time someone calls Linux "Linux."
Ok Richard
Don't stall, man
put some respect in your voice when you speak of our lord and savior ;-)
Did you seriously just post a GNU/Linux interjection unironically?
yes...why would that be unexpected, particularly on our free and federated network?
Is it finally the year of the GNU desktop?
Considering that Hurd is still not finished what other kernel does GNU use other than Linux?
HURD is the default GNU kernel. From what I here there are also GNU systems running on BSD'd stuff, and I suspect they're are many GNU systems running with Kernels users have created themes, whether for very specific use cases or just for fun. I recall following someone's blog an Diaspora* about the latter a year ago until she got bored with it.