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It's hard but not impossible. When you go grocery shopping always look at the back of the product to see if it has the taint.
Problem is indeed the restaurant as you can't be sure if they didn't you nestle products.
I can't help but notice you have disagreed with the comment above you, then gone on to explain that the exception to your disagreement is the exact scenario they described.
Except no? Its not "literally impossible" to avoid nestle. You simply have to shop your groceries more mindful.
But okay, if its utterly impossible to look on the back of the package and or do a quick internet search to see if that label belongs to nestle, yeah its impossible.
Joining in because why not. The comment OP never mentioned groceries. They mentioned how it's impossible to avoid Nestle when eating out/getting take out, which you agreed with.
The important thing is, they disagree, can't we just leave it at that and be angry in peace?
Nah, man. Getting shitty at people on the Internet is one of life's greatest joys.
Subsidiary companies, basically companies that are owned by another, to my knowledge are not required to display that they're owned by another company. Or if they do, it's in EXTREMELY fine lettering.
A lot of the time, you have to have an encyclopedic knowledge of what brands are nestle brands, or yes, it's actually impossibly to make a decision.
This whole thread is weird. I think it's hilarious how people are arguing with you, saying it's impossible and then linking sites that list every brand owned by Nestlé. You'd think it would occur to them that if one is able to consult a list, that makes it possible to avoid Nestlé products, since one can merely consult the list.
I think there are some synapses not firing here 😅
We're not arguing that there are lists. We're arguing that it's not always displayed on packaging. Subsidiary companies of nestle may not display the logo or name anywhere, or do so in such small lettering that it's very hard to overlook. When the other commenter is saying all it takes is "a bit of discipline" no, that's simply not the case. It takes discipline AND either an external resource, or an encyclopedic knowledge of every company nestle owns. If you want to sling insults at people at least understand what they're saying.
So then you admit that it's definitely possible, and not impossible, to avoid Nestle products
If you want to throw all nuance out of the equation, sure. There are a ton of ways to completely avoid nestle.
If you want to actually engage with what I said, though, it's a lot harder than your attitude implies.
You're talking to someone with celiac disease and severe lactose intolerance. Sure, it's "impossible to avoid Nestle," in the same way that it's "impossible to avoid gluten and dairy."
Aka, it's possible. I rely on reading labels, researching brands, and researching a restaurant before ever setting foot inside. If I can do this, then someone who wants to avoid Nestle can too. It's very possible.
Celiac and lactose intolerance are completely different from avoiding a brand. Both of those are specific compounds, we have laws stating we must list ingredients included in items, and "lactose free" and "gluten free" have been turned into marketing terms,very proudly displayed on a lot of packaging. It's also pretty simple to understand both lactose and gluten, where they come from, and narrow it down to a single ingredient, maybe with a few alternative names, that will cause issues.
You also have a direct response to the things that trigger you. If you make the mistake once you probably figure out what item it is, and don't make the same purchase. That feedback doesn't exist on a brand level. This (for example) peanut butter tastes the same as the other, has the same effects on my body. You have to do ACTIVE research on the brand to find out that they're owned by nestle. These are not equivalent in the slightest.
I would bet money that if I looked through your pantry and fridge right now you have something you didn't realize was nestle. They actively use deception in the form of different brands that don't display the nestle logo in order to hide the fact that it's a nestle item. Again, you're completely disregarding the arguments people are putting forth and actively calling them less than intelligent.
I think you're forgetting something. This entire chain started with an example to support the theory of it being impossible. The one about eating out where you don't know the ingredients being served to you or what brand they're from. You chose to ad hom without even addressing it. 🤷
Oh sorry I didn't realize we are legally mandated to eat out at places that use Nestle products, my bad.
The statement that it's impossible is entirely wrong.
Was that supposed to be a coherent response? Everyone eats out. I think you would have to scour a nation pretty thoroughly to find even a single person that hasn't at least had a McDonald's shake or something. Whether something is mandated or not was not the conversation. The conversation was whether or not it's possible to actively avoid completely, and restaurants hardly ever list their recipe as it is proprietary.
Are you legally mandated to go shop at the grocery store? No? Then why would you posit that response? You're going to need more to support your claim than what you've said here before you can justify dismissing people.
What they've done in the past is irrelevant. If they choose to forgo Nestle products from this day forward, then it is possible.
I never argued that one was legally mandated to shop at a grocery store. Whether one shops at a grocery store or not, one can consult a list and therefore not buy Nestle products. This is quite simple.
Just as an example of how it is possible not to buy certain products, regardless of how ubiquitous they are.
Past, present, or future- it doesn't matter. People need to eat. Suggesting that people just don't go to restaurants is as helpful as suggesting people just don't go to grocery stores. That's why this fact:
is doing a great job of convincing me that it is actually impossible, and if I'm honest you've said nothing to convince me otherwise. I think that's the disconnect.
I'm not going to stop going to restaurants. Don't get me wrong, I hate Nestle as much as the next lemming, but restaurants are not something I'm ever going to be able to cut out of my life completely. And I'm willing to bet my life on this being true for a lot of people.
If the idea of consulting a list and calling ahead to a restaurant is too hefty of a concept for you to hold onto, then yes I can see why there's going to be a disconnect. Let's just go our separate ways, and I feel confident that eventually you'll get there.
Alrighty there bud. You have yourself a terrific day. Try not to forget to breathe. 😁
Just so we're clear BTW:
Source: Any.
Well thats a bit harsh, don't you think :)
Also not only are there those lists, but we all have an internet enabled smartphone nearly always with us right? So check the label, see its hierarchy and decide then.
Yeah true, I was probably harsh. It's more like people taking a position and then protecting it at all costs, even when it unravels lol
Pot, meet kettle!
Sure, its pissing against the wind. And I lose out on kitkat and lion (damn i liked that bar) or I need to buy "clones" but I can't wholeheartedly buy their shit. It may not be much, but atleast i can live with myself.
You could order KitKat from the US. Hershey makes it here.
I wouldn’t recommend it though, Nestle KitKat is much better. It’s a shame Nestle is so evil or else I’d be driving over to Canada to stock up every few weeks.
The amount of sugar and palm kernel oil in Nestle chocolate makes me not even enjoy their products if I get them for free. They barely taste like cocoa
It's not always that obvious. Nestle owns many companies and many of those products say nothing about Nestle on them.
https://charlesstover.github.io/peoplecott/
That website helps with the products that aren't obviously marked Nestlé.
Thats a searchable list of all products/brands by Nestle? Thats quite helpful!
Sure they do own many companies. I just dont think its impossible, as I steer clear of anything nestle. Sometimes I grab something new and sounds interesting like the Vegan products by Gourmet Garden and just putting it quickly back as I saw nestles logo printed on the back.
It takes a bit of discipline.
Lol, no, you don't understand. Companies (literally millions of them) own many other companies that they never put any logo on or anything. For an outside of Nestle example, check out this list of companies owned by Kroger that you will never find anything labeled by Kroger inside of:
https://www.kroger.com/i/kroger-family-of-companies
Also this list may be VERY incomplete because it's hosted by Kroger and they have no obligation to give the entire truth here.
Food 4 Less, Ralph's, and Jay C Foods all have Kroger brand foods on their shelves. Not sure about the rest as I haven't shopped at the rest of those stores. Also they are attempting to acquire Albertson's.
That must be fairly newish as it was expressly made clear to me by upper management that Krogers whole MO was to slowly take control over years and never instantly turn anything into a Kroger (my local chain of groceries was bought by Kroger a full decade before signage changed for example).
I've never seen Kroger nor any of that companies. Do they sell in Germany?
And if the umbrella company is proud of thier products they bought, of course they put their label on it or state it somewhere. Where else would be the point of it? Brand recognition and all.
Kroger is a grocery store chain in the US, I suspect they don't operate in Germany but I might be wrong.
They basically are or own many different grocery store chains across most of the US.
I think you're missing the point I was making. There's a lot of Nestlé products that don't have their logo anywhere on the packaging because it's instead made by a company Nestlé owns
can you give an example?
Because all those products https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nestl%C3%A9_brands are made by "companies" that on first look are not "owned" by nestle even though I always saw their huge logo somewhere on its packaging.
"It takes a bit of discipline."
Also, you should work on your tone, speaking like you're holier than thou is already cringe, but when you're wrong it just makes you look like a big idiot.
Yes it does take a bit of discipline. And no, I dont think I'm holier than thou.
I don't think they were saying it ONLY takes a bit of discipline. To me, the charitable interpretation is, they're saying that they see something new they want, and see the nestle logo, and the act of denying the want takes discipline.
You're both right, of course. It DOES take discipline to always put back the nestle-labeled goods, and there are MANY nestle-subsidiary-owned items that don't have a nestle logo in sight
Edit: ok, a bit lower hea def being holier than thou a bit lol