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[–] givesomefucks 14 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (16 children)

And that's cool...

As long as when people want her to align more closely with the Dem voting base, you don't yell at them for questioning the only option and imply they're trying to help trump.

That bullshit only depresses Dem turnout and actually helps trump.

It's just completely nonsensical to hear all the "moderates" claim they'd vote for anyone not trump, then go feral when someone points out banning fracking would hand the Dems Pennsylvania which trump needs to win the election.

There are multiple issues like that where if Kamala moved to the left she'd lock this election down.

If you truly only care about beating trump, your time online would be more productive trying to pull the party left than trying to pull tens of millions of voters to the right...

With the obvious benefit of getting those popular policies on top of beating trump.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago (15 children)

If it's not been posted already...

https://theintercept.com/2024/09/10/polls-arms-embargo-israel-weapons-gaza/

Banning sales of arms to Israel would not only attract a huge proportion of otherwise reluctant leftists, but might even steal votes from Trump as a small but not insignificant number of voters have been fooled by his 'started no wars' con. The idea that doing so would lose some key demographic is clearly not supported by the data.

But the Democratic strategists are not idiots. They must know this. So one of two things is the case; the polling is wrong, or the Democrats have absolutely no desire to move leftward on this and are willing to risk a Trump win to hold out on their position.

We can rule out the first because if the Democrats had better poll data they'd share it. Nothing to lose by doing so.

So we're left with the second.

Odd then that the online vitriol is delivered not to the Democrats for cynically risking a Trump victory, but to leftists for being opposed to genocide.

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