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I mean it's classic Orwellianism to make up wild claims so that they seem normal when you do it. It's also called hypernormalization. Say crazy outlandish thing that doesn't exist. Then when it happens no one is surprised. The Big Lie. Etc.
I still remember conspiracy theory that we are ruled by pedophiles....
In early 2000s....
In 2020s this is a well know, properly documented fact.
Casting couch jokes... Were not jokes either...
Mass government surveillance without warrants... Also a know fact ... Now
All of these were "conspiracies"
Lab leak theory was suppressed aggressively, now it is considered viable but we just don't know
Regime propganda appratus can't even keep its narrative straight anymore but sadest part is that with polarization, they don't have to. Normies will larp their team no matter what, like docile dogs
It is disgusting seeing what should adult people behave in such a way. Caring more about politics than people around them
So we really got the rulers we deserve as a body of people.
What always gets me in a conspiracy thinking spiral is remembering that the people (that were always portrayed as total nutters) talking about the us gov investigating mind control and drugging people were right (mk ultra, etc).
I maintain that "conspiracy theory" should not be a thought stopper. One should not disregard something just because it seems like a classic "conspiracy theory". Most people I discuss stuff like that with just stop thinking after forming the thought "conspiracy theory".
On the other side we see what happens if people "do their own research"...
Nobody outside the NYC Metro North/PATH area who was alive at the time ever talks about this, but the wealthy men nightclub pedophilia (in terms of like 14yos) was an open secret. From 1984-1996-ish there was a whole "Klub Kids" scene where like, Andy Warhol, Salvador Dali, and Donald Trump would all be snorting lines of coke off a 15yo at Studio 54 in 1984 (Netflix did a documentary about a murder by an influencer of that scene several years ago). I literally knew kids who were part of that scene at the time (all the ones I knew became heroin addict homeless goth young adults by the late 90's and I presume are dead by now). Donald Trump was regionally known as the most famous enjoyer of the Klub Kids scene at the time.
I think you’re talking about the film “Glory Daze: The Life and Times of Michael Alig” and the associated Club Kids scene. Folks may also recall the film “Party Monster” about the same guy.
I’m somewhat familiar with the Club Kid scene and while they were often young and often used drugs, I’m not convinced of the sex trafficking scheme that your post seems to imply. Do you have any references, if that is your claim?
No press sources, just kids in that scene from back then. In a small cohort of goth kids in the region in the mid 90's, I knew several. They'd disappear down allegedly to NYC for that shit, I have no firsthand experience, I've always had a Bart Simpson belly and wasn't a mid-90's sexy twink so I was an observer from afar of the scene. It's also kind of unfair to describe it as "trafficking" to some extent, not to defend 40yo bankers banging 14yos, it was "cool" like... Have you ever read the OG Gossip Girl books the show was based on? I have not but it seems to be the manhattanite experience of that scene
That makes sense (I have not read those books) but yeah I could see that kinda thing going down… I appreciate the context
… So, Sexy Bart Simpson costume this year or what? 👻
First time hearing of this. But how is this never really brought publicly. Same reason diddy only getting flushed now?
Regime don't want to open another can of worms?
No idea! It was public local knowledge at the time, and I especially wondered with that Klub Kids Netflix documentary about the murder, NO mention even in a defamation friendly way, like an interview "Oh, I used to hear Donald Trump was in that scene" or anything. Also the media is here, basically, and Margaret Brennan is FROM Fairfield, albeit younger, but you'd think she'd be aware at least...
Also on the Californian side you had the sugar shack where all classic rock superstars went to do the exact same thing.
We often forget that the hippie scene was predominantly white, male, and came from privileged backgrounds. That's the only demographic that was liberated by the freedom movement. Same with the NY arty scene.
Totally never heard of that... I wonder how many of these awful "everyone in the region knows it's happening" regional scenes like this existed (or still exist). If only there was some sort of well funded federal law enforcement agency that could act when regional authorities are complicit...
I want to believe they're not that common anymore but who the fuck knows honestly
Yeah, in a world where most things seem to be getting worse, you could intuit "well, everything is a balance and this is the one thing getting better" or "this is probably yet another thing that's actually getting worse too, but we have other problems now."
Not sure if you got hypernormalisation right.
It's when state, population and even opposition play along by their known roles in a common, simplified fake-reality, ignoring a looming collapse, pretending everything is fine because noone can imagine a life outside the predominant system.
Haha, how crazy would that be, right?