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[–] puntyyoke 69 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

A few folks have mentioned that these charts

  1. conflate liberal/conservative with the dominant left/right parties in these nations
  2. does not include people who do not identify with one of those dominant parties
  3. have some somewhat unreliable stats magic behind them

A lot of young men in the US are reporting themselves as "not a Democrat or Republican", and that's causing a lot of this proportional shift. I would bet that characterizes a lot of folks on this site who are not conservative.

https://www.vox.com/politics/2024/3/13/24098780/politics-gender-divide-generation-z-youth-men-women

https://www.allendowney.com/blog/2024/01/28/is-the-ideology-gap-growing/

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago

On the flip side, in Europe extreme right parties are mostly being propped up by young men, while in other age groups men and women vote relatively similarly, which supports this finding.

[–] krashmo 13 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Exactly. I would be almost as upset with being classified as a liberal or a Democrat as I would be a conservative.

[–] Anticorp 8 points 4 hours ago

I get classified as all three depending on who I’m talking to.

[–] kautau 6 points 4 hours ago

At the same time I know many people (my brother included) that claim to be "independent" because they think that the trump camp is somehow outside the conservative camp, and therefore respond "independent" on polls. Because they think "I'm not democrat or conservative, I just want to drain the swamp" and then support trump, who is literally a swamp.

[–] mayo 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Edit: read Jane Jacobs system of survival

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

This is your brain on idealism, just pure vibes. Political astrology.

[–] mayo -1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

~~Have you read it? Don't judge too quickly!~~

Actually on second thought nvm. If that's you're response then I'm out :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

No, but like... dude, you could flip half of those supposed traits between categories and it would read exactly the same. That's why I called it astrology.

Perhaps you just did a bad job of presenting the book's ideas, but I've just read through a summary of it and it didn't exactly make me reconsider my knee jerk reaction.

[–] mayo 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Thanks for explaining. I did a bad job explaining it, but I'm only taking a short break irl and am just jumping into this conversation. I've removed that section of my comment.

The book explains this in more detail and I recommend it. We don't get much deep discussion into what it means to be conservative/liberal and the purpose of the book isn't to go into that but it does provide a framework. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Jacobs