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Somehow paying for Netflix is fine but god forbid I want to watch a 10 hour loop of the DS9 intro without ads.

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 11 months ago (13 children)

I think most people are angry with YouTube premium because it's a service that doesn't give you anything. It's a service where they stop annoying you. But it doesn't unlock anything new that you didn't have before, doesn't give you access to content or data you don't have access to, it doesn't improve the service. It just removes the annoyances they put there deliberately. So people are a little angry about it

It's a protection racket, for your attention and time.

[–] nnjethro 52 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children)

It includes youtube music. And creators you watch get more money than if you watched using the ad supported version.

[–] UPGRAYEDD 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (13 children)
  • You also get to play video with a screen off on mobile

  • You also get to download for offline viewing

  • You also support the creators of the videos, not just google.

  • AND FFS YOU DONT GET ADS.

Using adblock isnt some innate human right. They are well within their rights to block adblock.

You get almost the whole worlds information for free in video form. You can be entertained or use it as a teaching tool. It is the best place at this point for product demos and reviews. It is a crazy wealth of information and infrastructure that everyone takes advantage of and somehow just expect to be free. If Google cancells it because it is not profitable, i would bet the efficiency of the entire human race takes a significant nose dive. It also probably runs one of the highest sets of data storage and encoding on the planet.

[–] K3zi4 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Can do all of those things without premium if you have the right apps.

But besides that, absolutely not. I remember when YouTube was free with no ads, I remember when the adverts first started appearing, and that's when it became obvious that they were trying to annoy you into a pay model. It took a little longer than expected, but sure enough, they ramped up the ads until "YOUTUBE PREMIUM! PAY FOR NO ADVERTS!"

Fuck that, I had no adverts before and they took that away. But the worst part is that they harvest my private data and make money from me already. As far as I'm concerned, that's my subscription to their shit, in their perverse data selling.

No fucking way I'm going to also pay them for the privilege to have my private data sold.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You also get videos crammed full with sponsors. One might say that most videos on YouTube are ads themselves. YT Premium does not have Sponsorblock. Alphabet makes money by selling your data and they continue to do so when you pay them. I support a select few creators via Patreon. Fuck Alphabet, they're not getting a single cent from me.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The fact that they made it worse so they could lock what we had behind a paywall is what permanently killed YouTube for me. I will bend over backwards to make sure they never receive a penny at this point. They could have added or improved features but they just made everything shitty instead lol screw them.

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[–] Delphia 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thats one way to look at it.

The other way is to compare it to the free netflix tier... which doesnt exist.

IMO even being pestered to death I'm slightly amazed that its still free at all.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The problem with this point of view is that Netflix either produces its own content or rents content from other producers. YouTube doesn't produce its own content and also doesn't rent content from producers... it only pays them a percentage of ad revenue (to be comparable to Netflix, YouTube would have to pay creators up front regardless of ad revenue they generate). YouTube profits from the content production of its users, and doesn't actually pay a fair amount for it. For them to charge for access to that content is just... egregious.

[–] Delphia 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

People post their content to YT for 3 primary reasons

  1. Hosting is free. (In which case they are implicitly giving YT permission to profit off them in return for not charging hosting fees.

  2. They want the largest possible potential audience. Which YT spent a mind boggling amount of money and effort to build. (Although I do wish they had some form of legitimate competition, cant argue that point)

  3. They want to make money off the advertising revenue. (Which aside from Floatplane, is next to impossible to do otherwise)

There is nothing stopping content creators from hosting their own videos on their own servers they pay for but they dont. Because how do you generate the traffic? How do you get clickthroughs? How do you generate income, or just cover expenses?

YT dont owe you anything for free. Its not egregious, its business.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

While I use piped myself I am k with their business model, its just degrading every year making the experience worse for everyone. YouTube can't be compared to Netflix if you look at the bandwidth and the amount of users who don't pay for it. Hosting such a huge video sharing platform for free will never be profitable and the only other way is to make it paid only like Netflix which is obviously not gonna happen. Yeah they have 0 morals, yeah google sucks ass, yeah they treat their users like pigs but wishing it should be completely free with no ads is just wishful thinking.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

It's a protection racket, for your attention and time.

It is, but it is only between the free and paid versions. I can't expect a service to exist for my use without some form of compensation. I'd rather pay with money than time.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

it doesn't improve the service.

Doesn't it do exactly that? It removes the ads whoch makes it way better.

But it doesn't unlock anything new that you didn't have before

It does give you access to higher quality streaming though, offline play, background play, video queue, picture in picture and youtube music premium. Do you even know what you are talking about?

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[–] Rooty 38 points 11 months ago (15 children)

Youtube constantly demonitizes content creators, while protecting doxxers and content thieves. I will not be giving them a single red cent.

[–] regbin_ 12 points 11 months ago

Don't give them viewership too.

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[–] Potfarmer 32 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Paying for premium is fine, but premium users letting Youtube off the hook for their corporate greed is annoying. If YT ran reasonable ads like they used to in the olden days I wouldn't use an adblocker. Don't even get me started on their garbage search, a multi billion dollar company can and should do better. Then of course there's the fiasco of their demonetization system, and rules that apply to some but not others. Simply put they don't deserve to be paid for premium, if their grinch heart grows and they decide to do better as a company I'd honestly pay for premium.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Tbh, I almost caved and got premium, but I have a lot of the same issues with Youtube that you have.

A big YouTuber was doxxed recently by another big YouTuber, and Youtube did nothing about it. If I was him, I would be going to court.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Meanwhile I'm over here like:

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[–] LesserAbe 26 points 11 months ago

I'll pay to not be exposed to ads. I'll also pay to support a service I get value from. So I'm paying for YouTube premium, Netflix, Hulu. etc. When a service with media I want that has a more desirable corporate structure becomes available I'll pay for that and maybe get rid of other services. I also occasionally sail the high seas if the thing I want isn't available on any of the services I'm already paying for.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (11 children)

And here I am, getting the same thing and paying nothing because I've got uBlock Origin.

[–] Maven 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This works fine but the main reason I personally have premium is to support the YouTubers I watch. Adblock gets rid of their revenue while premium pays them MORE than just ads do and now I don't have to worry about it on any platform.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Premium still gives them hardly anything. Subscribing to their Patreon is better because they get all your money, minus the small fee.

[–] Maven 10 points 11 months ago

True but I can afford premium. I can't afford every single persons patreon.

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[–] pissclumps 9 points 11 months ago (5 children)

How do you run that on a smart tv?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Seriously, this is why I eventually got it. Plus my android vanced stopped working and I didn't know there was a way to fix it

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (13 children)

You think that's bad? Mention you use a HP printer sometime. I dare you to try it.

[–] Subverb 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Trigger warning:

I have an HP inkjet printer attached to my Windows 11 machine playing YouTube Premium in Chrome without an ad blocker.

Edit: it's a joke, people.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well owning a HP inkjet is an objectively stupid thing to do.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I subscribe to YouTube Music and have since the Play days (R.I.P.). Watching videos without ads is just a perk.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I just find the cost of Premium to be too high.

Here in Sweden it costs about 120SEK/month, that is far too much, I'd happily pay 60-70SEK/month, that would be worth it to me.

And would still give rhem more money than me not watching ads

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

They really do fuck us in the Nordics. It’s DKK179 (SEK281, USD26) for the family plan here in Denmark. Granted that’s the whole family getting YouTube Premium and Music, but that’s also I think the highest price anywhere in the world.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

I pay for it so my kids' accounts don't have ads. They're too young to sort out all the edge cases that aggressive ad blocking generates and for a bonus we get youtube music.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent 12 points 11 months ago

Paying for Netflix is not fine

[–] ranoss 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think I’m more ok with people playing for YouTube premium. It still helps the creators on YouTube more directly than Netflix

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Youtube does not offer Content instead they offer space to publish Videos and have Youtube Music.

The Price they are deamding is too high as if they Produce own Content and Music.

Youtube Premium would only be viable for me if i can be anonymous to buy it and removes age restriction,perma bann for YT Shorts the worst they done.

I cannot give a Company money that it this rotten.

Monopoly of YT is just sad.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I believe it's someone else's hard earned money, if they want to throw money to have what is objectively a better viewing experience, then it's not my problem.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

It's very ferengi to pay for goods and services.

But it is also very ferengi to steal goods and services.

Be a ferengi 😎

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Here’s the thing: how much YouTube content creators are really affected by ad blockers varies widely, and that’s due to several factors such as what region their main viewership is in, their subject matter, and how many viewers of each creator fit the demographic that might use ad blockers. YouTube is the only entity that would have the real data on the real impact to content creators due to ad blockers, and it’s believed that the reason they don’t share that data is so that they can inflate the numbers in order to claim greater losses than they actually suffer— and while that may very well be a strong motivation, I believe the primary motivation to be to hide the wide variation in levels of compensation between their top content creators. If the ad-blocking impact data became public, it would also reveal the wide disparities in how much YouTube compensates different tiers of content creators and would make public deals with top creators that have, until now, remained private.

This so why it’s always discussed in vague terms and as some existential threat— which is is, for them.

[–] Macropolis 8 points 11 months ago

yt-dlp + mpv

[–] solidsnake2085 8 points 11 months ago

So I was against premium for a while, was using vanced and it was fine. Nowadays with my boy getting a bit older and how much we use YouTube it's just easier to have premium. I know people have mentioned the android TV app but I have a Vizio TV and can't get it on there. Also, I'm not going to try to root my tv or anything like that (not even sure if I can with this one)

[–] stephfinitely 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

100% pay mainly for music and family app share. Ad free is the bonus.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

I have a YouTube Premium family plan spread between me, my brothers and our mom, only reason why I bother

[–] Donjuanme 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A further way to divide the masses. It's almost as if the masses desire division. We must judge each other based on the others decisions. Even if we were in complete agreement half of everyone would think the other half is agreeing incorrectly.

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[–] MrJameGumb 6 points 11 months ago (9 children)

I can pay for Netflix to be entertained for days at a time if I want to by original and classic shows and movies that I can't watch anywhere else, or I can pay for YouTube to show me a bunch of kowtowing brow beaten "creators" try to skirt their ever changing draconian rules long enough to make something that barely counts as entertainment anymore WHICH I could also already watch for free with ads.

Why would I ever pay them for anything?

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