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Tldr: going after guns, not violence. Remember its the tool not the action

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Tldr: going after guns, not violence. Remember its the tool not the action

The release says the exact opposite of what you imply in the tldr. If anything, this release outlines an attempted compromise.

We need to keep guns out of the hands of idiots. My neighbors should have been "red flagged" years ago. They have a long history of domestic violence and other drug and alcohol related charges. It probably would have prevented the husband from blowing his wife's brains out two days ago. In front of a kid, no less.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble 6 points 1 year ago

Red flag laws aren't about people who currently have convictions. If your neighbors were previously convicted then they probably can't legally have guns in the first place.

Red flag laws are about taking guns away from someone before they have a conviction/even do anything.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago

I don't want any more of this faux "compromise" bullshit handed out by gun grabbers. Our rights have been compromised enough with not a single damn thing to show in return. It isn't a compromise when they just do half of what they want and kick the other half down the road as a loophole they need to close.

[–] FireTower 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Actual TLDR: -Fund programs to encourage states to adopt red flag & safe storage laws. -Crack down on firearms theft within the common carriers. -Encourage less leeway for FFL errors. -Funding for ballistic analysis studies & a victims of crime fund. -Try to renew undetectable firearms act.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You do realize that red flag laws bypass due process, right?

[–] FireTower 3 points 1 year ago

Re read my comments on this thread and tell me where I said otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] FireTower 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Op being combative aside. The suspension of any rights or takings of any item after a court hearing the subject isn't informed of or entitled to attend absolutely is problematic. And has 2nd, 4th, 5th, & 6th amendment implications.

[–] PizzaMan 2 points 1 year ago

after a court hearing the subject isn’t informed of or entitled to attend absolutely is problematic.

Which doesn't inherently apply to red flag laws, as they vary significantly from state to state. We ought to have them, with informed/entitled participants.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago
[–] FabioTheNewOrder 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lmao, laughing at armed Americans from the safety of my European -guns-free-state.

Keep on killing yourselves, United States of America. Keep being united by the hate and fear you feel for everything around you and the world will surely be better in the future /s

[–] PizzaMan 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Tldr: going after guns, not violence. Remember its the tool not the action

Complaining is easy. Do you have an actual solution in mind that addresses the root cause?

In the end, all conservative complaints about gun control make a joke of the "protect the kids" arguments you guys use. You care more about guns and their unrestricted access than the lives of children.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

That jackass didn't actually read the release. He summarized the exact opposite of the intent.

That account is a constant source of spewing bullshit, btw.

[–] PizzaMan 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh absolutely. But even if they were correct on the "going after guns not violence" part, it's still a terrible take.

Guns are just a tool? Cool, then they should be regulated just the same way other dangerous tools are, through required safety training/licensing, and prevention of ownership for people who are likely to misuse it.

[–] breadsmasher 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] breadsmasher 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

just demonstrating you’re a troll

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, I'm just to the right of most lemmy users, which is a very low bar. All karma says is that people disagree with me, nothing more. You know that, so why act differently?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My solution is that there isn't a problem with gun violence, there's a problem with violence.

Violence which is caused by systemic racism.

[–] PizzaMan 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Violence which is caused by systemic racism.

Claiming that all shootings are the result of systemic racism is a huge claim. Do you have evidence to support that?

And how do you intend that we solve said systemic racism?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do you have evidence to support that?

Can we not be super pedantic? A lot of violence is fueled by systemic racism, happy?

And how do you intend that we solve said systemic racism?

Thats the million dollar question, isn't it?

[–] PizzaMan 2 points 1 year ago

Can we not be super pedantic? A lot of violence is fueled by systemic racism, happy?

You've made a huge, sweeping claim with zero support or explanation of the causal link. Asking for evidence is reasonable.

Thats the million dollar question, isn’t it?

So you criticize those trying to do something about the problem, those trying to protect children from getting shot, all without even offering a single alternative? How is that reasonable?

[–] breadsmasher 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the tool not the action

Why can’t I own a nuke?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can. Just get the permits from the Dept of Energy, and pay the 200 dollar tax stamp for a destructive device.

Its so expensive, it effectively acts like a ban.

[–] breadsmasher 4 points 1 year ago

get permits

Huh so theres some strict rules and regulations to obtain a weapon eh 🤔

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It will turn into another blunder just like Ministry of Truth that Bidens woke handlers proposed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That is just an interesting thing to say. I would like to hear about the experience you had that reinforced your conclusion. Have other people that you know of been influenced by these handlers?