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TLDR:
Windows 11 v24H2 and beyond will have Recall installed on every system. Attempting to remove Recall will now break some file explorer features such as tabs.

YT Video (5min)

Invidious Link

Original Github Issue

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[–] Ensign_Crab 63 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I remember them doing this with Internet Explorer back in the 90s.

"We can't remove this thing we don't want to remove! Look! It's hastily integrated with the OS! We can't remove it ever!"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

yep exactly my thoughts. IE couldn't be ripped off a Windows computer at all

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It still can’t.. Hidden somewhere deep in windows, there is still a IE, believe me.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Wow this doesn't affect me at all thank fully

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Someone deserving of his thanks, clearly

[–] mlg 42 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Explorer has had so many dependencies attached to it that if even one of them sneezes, the entire desktop environment crashes and has to restart.

Actually insane when you think about it. Why the hell is a file explorer the root process of the desktop??????

I've only ever forced stopped thunar once and it was because I was messing with some thumbnail settings. Naturally the rest of my system worked as normal, as well as the other thunar windows open lol.

[–] sfxrlz 7 points 2 days ago

Looking at you microsoft store rdp manager. Crashing explorer when I dare to leave something in the clipboard.

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[–] [email protected] 269 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Microsoft has been the single most effective marketing asset for GNU/Linux distributions in recent years.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm so fucking glad I switched to Linux this year.

[–] kameecoding 72 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well Valve was doing too well with the steam deck in that area so they had to trump them, second place is just the first loser.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 3 days ago

Valve is holding the carrot, Microsoft the stick.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Windows Debloat Tool:

https://github.com/LeDragoX/Win-Debloat-Tools

I run this on any new Win install. I also suggest Portmaster so you know where your data is going (I use it on Linux too!)

https://safing.io/

However, if you can, it is really worth switching to Linux. Linux is built as a tool by the people using the tool. Windows is making a product. Enough said.

If people would like to "try Linux before you buy," check out DistroSea. It spins up a virtual machine of whatever distro and flavour you choose to try.

https://distrosea.com/

There are a surprising and growing number of Linux compatible tools. Software is usually why people have a hard time switching. If you're dependent on Photoshop/Adobe, check out:

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve

Gamers should check out:

https://www.protondb.com/

This site shows how well games run on Proton (compatibility tool) and people offer solutions to get them running if there's any snags.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Linux is built as a tool by the people using the tool.

And that's exactly how it feels to non-programmers or not-enthusiasts jus trying to exist.
And those devs (not all but more or less most) will troubleshoot and gear it towards how they see fit with less newbie testing.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (5 children)

DaVinci Resolve is not a replacement for Photoshop/Adobe as a whole, but it is a decent replacement for Adobe products AfterEffects and Premier.

For Photoshop alternatives, I'd start with GIMP for photo editing or Krita for illustration and digital painting.

I'm still on Windows because my drawing app of choice is Clip Studio Paint, which has no Linux version. I've read and watched several guides to getting CSP running on Linux, but it still scares me off.

But this Recall thing is so insidious to me... I might try to get it working on Linux anyway.

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[–] notous 24 points 2 days ago (5 children)

screw Microsoft..i hope people will consider to switch to Linux

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What's an alternative to explorer?

Unfortunately, just switch to Linux is not an option.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What do you have against Linux?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

As much as I love it, it just doesn't work for some people or situations.

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[–] richardisaguy 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

how the fuck do you even begin making recall a dependency for explorer?

[–] RangerJosie 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I can't say how. But I can guess why.

"Sorry, can't remove it. It's a system dependency"

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

It's the Microsoft way

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 3 days ago

Ahahaha, holly fucking shit.

They literally added some OS in their spyware.

[–] [email protected] 163 points 3 days ago (25 children)

it was vastly easier to install linux mint than it is to figure out registry editing or whatever the fuck i'd need to avoid this

[–] [email protected] 93 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Nah, mate, Linux is hard, you need to know what a Wayland is. In comparison, Windows is very simple and lightweight, you only have to run a dozen Powershell scripts and edit the registry weekly to get rid of ads.

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[–] utopiah 52 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (21 children)

For years... well pretty much since I had a PC, I had a Windows partition. Why? Well because I (sadly) paid for the damn thing (damn OEM deals). Plus, I admit, sometimes they were things that only ran on Windows.

For few years now though, everything, literally, from the latest tech gadget to playing games to VR, works on Linux.

Few weeks ago I deleted the Windows partition. I didn't have to. I didn't boot on it for months. It didn't affect me.

Still, I now feel ... safer, more relaxed, coherent.

When I see shit like that, I feel even better!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Yea about a year ago I switched entirely over to Linux. I am a system engineer so I have to deal with windows at work all the time but on my computer, I feel calm. Like I don't have to worry about my operating system. Windows is getting in the way more than it's helping 99% of the time now.

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[–] [email protected] 291 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (29 children)

This is absolutely insane
My condolences to all Windows 11 users.

It's becoming common knowledge that:

  • It's not a matter of if but when will xyz service/application be breached and what are the potential damages it could do to me and others?

"I assume every online service is not if; it's when is it going to be breached? Right? So I operate under that assumption, that everything is going to be breached at some point. And so that's why Recall was so scary to me where it's like, I don't care how secure they say it is, like you look at Spectre and Meltdown no one thought these things were going to affect millions of CPUs and here we are, right?

  • Steve from Gamers Nexus

[Level1Techs] Microsoft Is KILLING Windows | ft. Steve @GamersNexus

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[–] affiliate 170 points 3 days ago (2 children)

how the fuck could they have possibly done things in a way that makes explorer tabs depend on recall?

if they can’t even separate out recall from the rest of the operating system then i have absolutely no faith it will be secure.

[–] [email protected] 95 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's so you can't rip Recall out without ruining Explorer, and possibly other things

[–] Valmond 62 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Internet explorer did similar things, try to remove it and the OS would just crash.

Edit: just remembered it also had direct memory access to make it faster (well, less slow) which was so insanely unsecure on so many levels.

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[–] [email protected] 180 points 3 days ago (24 children)

Linux is here to welcome you

[–] vxx 75 points 3 days ago (38 children)

Man, I cling to Windows like nobody else, as I didn't have any advertising issues and such, but this will be the final straw.

It's already enough of a spying system but I refuse to have it as a spy on crack.

Time to read into distros.

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[–] [email protected] 196 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Okay, this might be a non-issue: https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil/issues/2697#issuecomment-2403792309

To those that arrive here from any Youtube or Twitter posts, please know that disabling Recall via DISM works fine, and preserves the modern File Explorer (though some might consider this an anti-feature). CBS correctly disables it, and the disablement is preserved through reboots, just like with any other feature.

Edit: of course, the big problem here is that it's still present (even disabled) and hence malware could turn it back on without you realising. Ugh.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 3 days ago (4 children)

A lot of unpopular "features" and behaviors used to have DISM, policy, or registry workarounds. And MS seems to love to kill those workarounds during later updates.

If MS isn't letting people uninstall it, there's a reason for it, and I'd be willing to bet that users will one day find that it has been magically re-enabled by an update.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago (5 children)

So.. how does this exist in corporate environments where PCI DSS is necessary? Is the government also going to have to deal with fallout from this?

I wonder if there will ever be a point where legislation dictates features from an os vendor.. we lost control of our hardware when they started forcing updates. I'm sure someone will hack a DLL or something to allow explorer to run but kill this component... But should we really need to hack our systems to protect ourselves from spying?

Inb4 Linux - I ran Slackware in the early 90s, and my server still runs a deb based distro.. but when I want to play Forza, I'm pretty limited with my choices, etc.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Microsoft: We're going to arbitrarily require TPM and SecureBoot and say that makes Windows 11 more secure even though that's a feature of your motherboard, not our operating system.

Also Microsoft: In Windows 11 the file explorer program depends on a program that periodically sends us screenshots of your screen.

So secure!

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[–] DirkMcCallahan 196 points 3 days ago (14 children)
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