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Star Trek was literally always woke.
You're being downvoted, but I just wanted to let you know you're not alone in noticing what you have. There is indeed a significant difference in the approach of classic Trek vs. what we have now. In the past, the story was the focus, and the wokeness was an addition to it. Now, the woke seems to be the focus, and it's at the expense of the storytelling.
I actually hate the word "woke." I'm about the most left leaning person I know and agree with the liberal messages in all Trek. But it really has destroyed the storytelling in the new stuff. It should primarily be a science fiction show, not a morality lecture.
I'm not going to argue with anyone who disagrees, I'll just accept the downvotes, I just wanted to show a little support.
I'm not downvoting either of you, and I hope this doesn't sound like me being argumentative, I just want to know what you're seeing in Discovery that I haven't seen in all the other Trek series (see me other comment in this thread, I guess). Morality lectures are central to Trek, IMHO.
Placing the bland Michael Burnham centrepoint isn't something ST did before. The doc was fine, his partner nonsensicle, the redhead was ANNOYING and I've forgotten the rest - no, I don't really care to spend too much time doing research - I just want to fucking vent. Nor did earlier ST FINALLY introduce another, possibly interesting character (the Freeza looking one) to IMMEDIATELY kill her off. My gods, I was fucking pissed. Then that one episode where a bomb was going to go off and someone had to be "left behind" or some stupid shit? There was NO reason to do that. And don't get me fucking started on the LENS FLARE! THAT'S THE MOST UNSTARTREK THING I'VE EVER SEEN!
At least the customes looked pretty cool.
What about Micheal Burhnam "being centerpoint" makes it woke?
Oh, I thought we were talking about things you see in STD that you don't see in other Treks. I never mentioned anything about Woke.
Alright, fair point - I never watched old Trek though (blasphemy, I know).
What's the difference?
You say that it is at the expense of the storytelling but to me it is the storytelling or at least an essential part of it and what makes it special.
If you prefer, there is plenty of other sci-fi where it’s just two strait white dudes using cgi to save the universe. But then that’s also not really a rich seam for storytelling.